Obamacare; Rand Survey; LA Times.... 9.3m Signups... Maybe Not

How can anyone defend this steaming pile of elephant crap?

Wasn't the whole reason for passing this mess to get coverage for the 40 million or so people WITHOUT insurance prior to passage of the law?

That means, at best, we still have 38 million people uninsured. I'd be interested to know whether the estimated 2 million new insured even keeps up with population growth.

It is depressing to think about how badly this administration has screwed up this nation in so short a period of time.

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At least 9.3 million more Americans have health insurance now than in September 2013

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5+ million lost their plans.

7.1 have signed up. (if you even believe that number)

HOW THE frick do they get to 9 million?

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Plus you are not counting the under-26 year olds who got on their parents plan

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From the accounts of insurers I have read, they vastly underestimated the amount of <26yr olds who would free-load on their parent's plans instead of purchase themselves.

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Finally, more people would be signed up if big states like Ohio and Texas had expanded Medicaid like most states did.

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Oh boy, so we would have had even more free loaders?


Ok, so lets say we actually got 9.3m newly insured... How many of those do you believe are REALLY paying their way?

1-2m?

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From the accounts of insurers I have read, they vastly underestimated the amount of <26yr olds who would free-load on their parent's plans instead of purchase themselves.

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Is it fair to call those guys freeloaders though? I mean Mom or Dad still have to pay extra for those to be on the healthplan.

That being said, I find it:
A) Shocking that the #'s of <26 year olds that are uninsured would be that high. Have we taught our children nothing about priorities? My parents badgered me into buying my own private health insurance when I was 22 before I got a real job. What in the frick are kids thinking these days?
B) Regardless - how do we NOT know the total volumes of insured people? Why is this coming from Survey data? Do we HONESTLY think the insurance companies and Medicare / Medicaid don't have the actual data??? This is complete horse shite. I guarantee every insurance company in the US knows how many enrolees they have on a week to week basis, and how many are paid up.

Why are we relying on estimates? My speculation is that we are relying on estimates because the actual truth sucks.

its like yall didn't read the LA time article. They don't say signups, they say 9.3M have coverage now.

its like yall are trying to be stupid.

Hawkeye,

I hear ya, but at the same time, how much did it really cost us (tax payers like myself) to get that 9.3 mil insured? And how much are those 9.3 mil paying themselves? I do not want to help people who do not want to help themselves. I'm not a charity. The bill always comes due at some point and who is footing the bill is what I do not agree with.

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They don't say signups, they say 9.3M have coverage now.

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What the frick else would you call someone who newly gained insurance?

New coverage = Newly Enrolled = Newly Signed up

To gain something, you have to "Sign up"

Its all the same fricking thing. Stop trying to play word games.

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Looks like the LA times is at it again...

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The LA Times has been doing some serious WORK on behalf of Obamacare. I've become immune to it. I'm glad to see others noticing it.

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So please continue to make dumbass comments that u have no understanding about

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Sounds like you have a condition of bleeding vagina too...

Sorry if I think you should have to pay up for the risk exposure that you present instead of hiding on your parent's plan so you can save a little money. Someone is paying increased premiums to negate that exposure.

Its just like car insurance, should someone who has had 5 wrecks and is more likely to cause more pay the same deductible that I pay?