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Peter Beinart Blasts Sheldon Adelson For His "Culture Of Hate" . . . .

Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:54 pm
Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:54 pm
And compares Adelson to Louis Farrakhan and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. I have to give Beinart credit for writing a piece like this since he's relatively young, not rich as far as I know, and presumably would suffer a great deal if his livelihood was taken away from him, not to mention the self-hating Jew accusations that are sure to come his way.
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Leading contenders for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination spent last weekend wooing and feting a billionaire, Sheldon Adelson, whose views - if directed at Jews—would put him in the company of Louis Farrakhan and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Think I’m exaggerating? Let’s check the record. Adelson has called for nuking the Iranian desert (which supposedly wouldn’t “hurt a soul”) and then nuking Tehran unless Iran abandons its nuclear weapons program. I’m all for Iran abandoning its nuclear weapons program. But how does threatening Tehran with nuclear annihilation make Adelson any different than those Iranians who have threatened to destroy Israel?

Then there’s Adelson’s view that the Palestinians are an “invented people.” Again, flip it around. In 2008, when Tel Aviv University’s Shlomo Sand published a book called “The Invention of the Jewish People,” he was widely called anti-Semitic. When Adelson says the same about Palestinians, he’s a Republican rock star.

This isn’t hawkishness. It’s hate. Hawks acknowledge that there are divisions among Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims, but argue that, at this moment in time, the forces of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic militancy have the upper hand. For Adelson, by contrast, there are no distinctions. All Palestinians and all Muslims are detestable killers. It’s just who they are. “There isn’t a Palestinian alive who wasn’t raised on a curriculum of hatred and hostility toward the Jews,” he told the Jewish Press in 2011. "They don’t want the Jews or any other religion to be alive,” he said in the same interview. “The Muslims…want to kill 100 percent of the Jews,” he explained last fall. “Not all Islamists are terrorists but all the terrorists are Islamists,” he opined in 2012.

The ignorance is painful. At times, Adelson seems to suggest that Palestinians are a religion. (“They don’t want the Jews or any other religion to be alive.”) His claim that “all the terrorists are Islamists” reveals a lack of familiarity with, among others, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, the Klu Klux Klan, the Irish Republican Army, the Tamil Tigers, the Basque National Liberation Movement, the FARC, and the Jewish Defense League. Adelson is on record as admitting that “I don’t know the difference between the Shia and the Sunnis.”

This is what American democracy has come to. Because billionaires can now spend unlimited sums on political campaigns, a primitive old man, who knows almost nothing about Palestinians and Muslims except that they are all murderous savages, can summon the leading Republican presidential candidates to his casino and make them grovel for his affections.

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Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:02 am to
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This is what American democracy has come to. Because billionaires can now spend unlimited sums on political campaigns, a primitive old man, who knows almost nothing about Palestinians and Muslims except that they are all murderous savages, can summon the leading Republican presidential candidates to his casino and make them grovel for his affections.
Hell ya! Kill the rich Jews! It's all their fault! How dare those people participate in our political system.
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Posted by trackfan
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:27 am to
Can you imagine that any major news organization would ever give voice to an op-ed like this if it were written by a Gentile?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:32 am to
I don't think it matters. The constant demonizing is getting tired.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:35 am to
Do you not think that Adelson is worthy of demonizing? And why did you play the Jew card in your earlier post unless you think Beinart is a self-hating Jew?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57249 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 12:38 am to
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Do you not think that Adelson is worthy of demonizing?
No. I think ideas should be attacked. Not people. Not one's wealth.

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And why did you play the Jew card in your earlier post unless you think Beinart is a self-hating Jew?
I've never met him. How would I know?
This post was edited on 4/4/14 at 12:39 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:37 am to
His other pet issue is trying to kill internet gambling. He extracts that pledge from every Republican who gets his blessing.
Posted by SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 1:45 am to
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is claim that “all the terrorists are Islamists” reveals a lack of familiarity with, among others, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, the Klu Klux Klan, the Irish Republican Army, the Tamil Tigers, the Basque National Liberation Movement, the FARC, and the Jewish Defense League.


What terrorist attack did the JDL commit?
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
9967 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 4:39 am to
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What terrorist attack did the JDL commit?


Doubt whether it was the OP who put the JDL on the Terrorist Organization list.

Ask the FBI instead. It's clear from your post you believe anything Law enforcement says.

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Posted by Scruffy
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 7:08 am to
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Blasts
I hate the use of this word and the use of "rip". 99% of the time, all they did was disagree. its a BS way to convince people to read the articles.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:07 am to
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This isn’t hawkishness. It’s hate. Hawks acknowledge that there are divisions among Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims, but argue that, at this moment in time, the forces of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic militancy have the upper hand. For Adelson, by contrast, there are no distinctions. All Palestinians and all Muslims are detestable killers. It’s just who they are.
This is the author's interpretation and opinion supposedly drawn from Adelson's statements.
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“There isn’t a Palestinian alive who wasn’t raised on a curriculum of hatred and hostility toward the Jews,” he told the Jewish Press in 2011. "They don’t want the Jews or any other religion to be alive,” he said in the same interview. “The Muslims…want to kill 100 percent of the Jews,” he explained last fall. “Not all Islamists are terrorists but all the terrorists are Islamists,” he opined in 2012.
These are Adelson's statements as quoted by the author. Is it just possible that Adelson uttered a few other sentences during the interviews that might have qualified the sentences the author quoted? Something simple like responding to a question about events in Gaza, the West Bank or some other specific terrorist event? Could these statements be lacking some context?

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Adelson has called for nuking the Iranian desert (which supposedly wouldn’t “hurt a soul”) and then nuking Tehran unless Iran abandons its nuclear weapons program. I’m all for Iran abandoning its nuclear weapons program. But how does threatening Tehran with nuclear annihilation make Adelson any different than those Iranians who have threatened to destroy Israel?
There were Americans who advocated doing the same thing vis-à-vis Japan in 1945. Adelson is hardly the first to suggest doing the same since.

Comparing Adelson to Farrakhan and Ahmadinejad is a poor comparison. Adelson hasn't expressed a desire to see Muslims, or even Palestinians destroyed. Advocating for the destruction of a single city is not quite on par with calling for the elimination of a religion, people and culture.
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9617 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:35 am to
I wonder what Mr Beinart has to say about those models of bravery, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, and Dick Durbin calling the Koch Brotheres "Un-American" from the safety of the Senate floor, where they know they can't be sued for slander or libel?
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55358 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:37 am to
The JDL was not a terrorist organization. More like a neighborhood watch group mostly in NY and other Jewish neighborhoods (Mostly poor and blue collar areas). In Israel, never amounted to anything as Kahane was kicked out of the Knesset.
Posted by La Place Mike
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/4/14 at 8:45 am to
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Tel Aviv University’s Shlomo Sand
One of the greatest names of all time, Shlomo.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:10 am to
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The JDL was not a terrorist organization.

What do you call an organization that assassinates Arab-American poltical activists, plots to assassinate Arab-American Congressman Darrell Issa and bomb Mosques, and whose slogan is "For every Jew a .22"?
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:20 am to
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There were Americans who advocated doing the same thing vis-à-vis Japan in 1945. Adelson is hardly the first to suggest doing the same since.

This is an absurd comparison. We were in an all-out war Japan when that was suggested, and were trying to force a surrender. Not only are we not at war with Iran, but we're in the process of improving relations with them. Why on hell would you nuke a country that you're trying to be friends with?
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:40 am to
Did Adelson advocate for the United States or Israel to make the demonstration attack on Iran? The article did not specify. Why did you jump to the conclusion that it was the United States Adelson was referring to? I don't think Iran and Israel are trying to be friends. Friends don't surreptitiously send weapons to the enemies of their friends for use against those friends.

While the U.S. may have been in all-out war with Japan, Japan was not an existential threat to the U.S. in 1945, nor was it ever going to be one. Is Iran an existential threat to Israel? Will it be an existential threat to Israel when it possesses nuclear weapons? Considering what to do to influence future events is something prudent people do. If Adelson was discussing Israel's future, then the perspective for the recommendation makes more sense.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27068 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 9:47 am to
I have no problem with anyone using their wealth as they see fit, but it floors me that "patriotic" Republicans would allow someone to be king maker who publicly stated that it was "unfortunate" that he wore an American military uniform as opposed to an Israeli uniform.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:05 am to
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Did Adelson advocate for the United States or Israel to make the demonstration attack on Iran? The article did not specify. Why did you jump to the conclusion that it was the United States Adelson was referring to?

Come on man. Anyone who has heard Adelson's comments, which I assume you have, knows that he was talking specifically about the U.S.

Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 4/4/14 at 10:10 am to
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I have no problem with anyone using their wealth as they see fit, but it floors me that "patriotic" Republicans would allow someone to be king maker who publicly stated that it was "unfortunate" that he wore an American military uniform as opposed to an Israeli uniform.

As much as I dislike the Koch brothers, I can't imagine either one of them saying something like this. Also, as far as I can tell, the Koch brothers only dabble in domestic politics. They aren't trying to undermine Obama on foreign policy matters or subvert America's foreign policy interests.
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