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Austin Rivers: Looking back on the draft
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:40 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:40 am
At the number 10 pick in the 2012 draft, looking back at it now, I would say that they don't have many players that I would choose over him if we could redraft today. Dell took the best player/highest rated player there. A guy who has known Monty for a long time. He really looks good this year. He works hard and is a really solid backup PG with elite handles and quickness.So here the list of most of the first round. Who would you take over him?
Meyers Leonard-
Jeremy Lamb-
Kendall Marshall-
John Henson-
Maurice Harkless-
Royce White-
Tyler Zeller-
Terrence Jones-
Andrew Nicholson-
Evan Fournier-
Jared Sullinger-
Fab Melo-
John Jenkins-
Jared Cunningham-
Tony Wroten-
Miles Plumlee-
Meyers Leonard- no way
Jeremy Lamb- he is solid, but I still like Rivers better
Kendall Marshall- possible.
John Henson- yes, would be great to spar with Davis, but we still would be really clogged at PF.
Maurice Harkless- tough one. But Ill take Harkless
Royce White- nope
Tyler Zeller- no
Terrence Jones- yes
Andrew Nicholson- no
Evan Fournier- no
Jared Sullinger- yes, but there was no way to know
Fab Melo- no
John Jenkins- no
Jared Cunningham- no
Tony Wroten- ehhh nah
Miles Plumlee- probably would take him now if I had the pick, but there was no way to know at that time
Meyers Leonard-
Jeremy Lamb-
Kendall Marshall-
John Henson-
Maurice Harkless-
Royce White-
Tyler Zeller-
Terrence Jones-
Andrew Nicholson-
Evan Fournier-
Jared Sullinger-
Fab Melo-
John Jenkins-
Jared Cunningham-
Tony Wroten-
Miles Plumlee-
Meyers Leonard- no way
Jeremy Lamb- he is solid, but I still like Rivers better
Kendall Marshall- possible.
John Henson- yes, would be great to spar with Davis, but we still would be really clogged at PF.
Maurice Harkless- tough one. But Ill take Harkless
Royce White- nope
Tyler Zeller- no
Terrence Jones- yes
Andrew Nicholson- no
Evan Fournier- no
Jared Sullinger- yes, but there was no way to know
Fab Melo- no
John Jenkins- no
Jared Cunningham- no
Tony Wroten- ehhh nah
Miles Plumlee- probably would take him now if I had the pick, but there was no way to know at that time
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:45 am to aswemajor
I agree with most of these except Sullinger. He's only going to last so long with his health concerns. We knew Sullinger would be a great player. We just didn't know how long he'd be able to sustain the production. Look at where Blair is now.
I think when the dust has settled and we look back on this draft, out of that list, Rivers will probably end up being the 3rd best player on it outside of Jones/Henson. Plumlee is mostly intriguing because he fixes our problems at the 5 immediately.
I think when the dust has settled and we look back on this draft, out of that list, Rivers will probably end up being the 3rd best player on it outside of Jones/Henson. Plumlee is mostly intriguing because he fixes our problems at the 5 immediately.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:46 am to aswemajor
Jones, sullinger, or plumlee
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:48 am to aswemajor
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Jeremy Lamb- he is solid, but I still like Rivers better
Wut?
6'7 wing player that can shoot and put the ball on the deck, in addition to have tremendous potential on the defensive end. But you'd rather Austin Rivers?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:50 am to aswemajor
In hindsight, Lamb would have been a better choice. Henson and Jones are nice players, but if Monty is serious about getting a Center and keeping Davis at PF, those two wouldn't do us much good at PF. If you can really only find 1 player you would have picked over Rivers 2 years later, then I would say it isn't a bad pick at all.
Maybe Harkless is another you would want, but it doesn't seem like he was ever in the conversation at 10, and he isn't exactly setting the world on fire either. Prior to the draft, out of the players expected to be there at 10 (not counting Lillard or Drummond), I really liked Terrance Ross, but of course the Raptors took him before we could.
Maybe Harkless is another you would want, but it doesn't seem like he was ever in the conversation at 10, and he isn't exactly setting the world on fire either. Prior to the draft, out of the players expected to be there at 10 (not counting Lillard or Drummond), I really liked Terrance Ross, but of course the Raptors took him before we could.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:06 am to Tigerlawyer
quote:
6'7 wing player that can shoot and put the ball on the deck, in addition to have tremendous potential on the defensive end. But you'd rather Austin Rivers?
Rivers- 6 ft 4 PG with a killer crossover, decent court vision, can shoot the 3 (kinda), plays very solid defense, and has a tremendous work ethic and wants to be in NOLA
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:08 am to Tigerlawyer
quote:
6'7 wing player that can shoot and put the ball on the deck, in addition to have tremendous potential on the defensive end. But you'd rather Austin Rivers?
Not saying that I would take Rivers over Lamb because I see them as very different players.
Not sure where you got that Lamb is 6'7 and not sure why that height matters much since Rivers is only 0.25 inches shorter than him and then Rivers has 15 lbs on Lamb. The only real difference is Lamb's reach is a few inches longer.
Also, It isn't like Lamb has been lights out impressive as a shooter. He is shooting 43% from the field and 35% from 3. There is no doubt that Rivers is better at putting the ball on the deck than Lamb. Rivers also is no scrub on defense.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:13 am to aswemajor
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Rivers- 6 ft 4 PG with a killer crossover, decent court vision, can shoot the 3 (kinda), plays very solid defense, and has a tremendous work ethic and wants to be in NOLA
Sets him apart and will be what makes him a nice asset moving forward. This is the sole reason for my faith in Austin. He's fiery and works his arse off. That toughness and energy is contagious. One need to look no further than Austin getting up in Evans face after AD got elbowed by that dumbass. It was literally him surrounded by 5 purple jerseys.
The game is slowing down for him. As that slowing continues, those intangibles will kick his production into territories that will make us forget his first few seasons.
ETA: I can't remember many "beefs" on the court for our team this year where dudes are getting into each other's face. Austin has at least 3: vs. Jennings, vs. Teague, vs. Reggie Evans. That's a boss. I want guys that DGAF and won't back down or be intimidated.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:36 am to ShamelessPel
quote:Blair had no ligaments in his knee and was never the player Sullinger was in college. I do not recall Sullinger's injury being debilitating.
I agree with most of these except Sullinger. He's only going to last so long with his health concerns. We knew Sullinger would be a great player. We just didn't know how long he'd be able to sustain the production. Look at where Blair is now. I think when the dust has settled and we look back on this draft, out of that list, Rivers will probably end up being the 3rd best player on it outside of Jones/Henson. Plumlee is mostly intriguing because he fixes our problems at the 5 immediately.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:38 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Blair had no ligaments in his knee and was never the player Sullinger was in college. I do not recall Sullinger's injury being debilitating.
Sullinger was an easy top 10 player and probably even top 5 without the health concerns. One leg is longer than the other.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:39 am to aswemajor
Some real busts up in here. Fab Melo's fat arse never had a chance. Leonard was more surprising. Royce White... 
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:39 am to NOSHAU
quote:
I do not recall Sullinger's injury being debilitating.
his injury dropped him at least 10 spots in the draft.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:52 am to ShamelessPel
Austin will be in the league 10+ years. He continues to work hard, but still looks like a boy amongst men out there, although that has faded over the year. Once that totallywears off, he will be a legitimate rotation guy. I see him as a Jet Terry; not necessarily from a skillset standpoint, but more of just the impact he brings to the game.
There is a reason people root for this kid, you can tell he wants it and gives a shite about getting better.
Fun fact: who was the only player coming out of high school rated higher than AD in either scout or rivals? Rivers. No, it means nothing, its just a fun fact.
There is a reason people root for this kid, you can tell he wants it and gives a shite about getting better.
Fun fact: who was the only player coming out of high school rated higher than AD in either scout or rivals? Rivers. No, it means nothing, its just a fun fact.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:58 am to aswemajor
quote:
can shoot the 3 (kinda)
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:39 am to OceanMan
quote:
There is a reason people root for this kid, you can tell he wants it and gives a shite about getting better.
This
I love his energetic attitude. Really hope he turns a corner one day.
Cool dude too, which is a surprise because I usually hate Duke douchebags.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:50 am to ShamelessPel
quote:
can shoot the 3
Everybody can shoot it, the problem is making it
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:25 pm to HeadyBrosevelt
quote:
Cool dude too, which is a surprise because I usually hate Duke douchebags.
Well he's not white so you're in the clear
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:23 pm to TIGERSby10
quote:
Everybody can shoot it, the problem is making it
He was shooting it at 36%-38% for a good portion of the season.
He's still not perfect at it but our spacing issues haven't helped
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:24 pm to REG861
quote:so douchebags is the white man's tpos?
Cool dude too, which is a surprise because I usually hate Duke douchebags.
Well he's not white so you're in the clear
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:28 pm to aswemajor
People also have to remember it usually takes until mid-late year 2 or year 3(in most cases) for a guard to really get over the hump.
He's averaging 11-3-3 on 46% FG in 23 minutes a game over the past month and has almost never had a game where he looks lost or overwhelmed(like last year)
He's averaging 11-3-3 on 46% FG in 23 minutes a game over the past month and has almost never had a game where he looks lost or overwhelmed(like last year)
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 4:29 pm
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