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7 Hard Truths Liberals Don't Want to Hear
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:12 am
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:12 am
This guy just nails it.
My Favorite:
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Those of us who labor in the real world – who built this country, who make it work and who defend it – deal with reality. Most liberals don’t. And that can be baffling, because when they speak they sound like visitors from the planet Nimrod.
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Hard Truth Number 1: If you are a liberal who really believes that your liberal heroes actually believe in liberalism, you are a sucker and a fool. Maybe even foolish enough to let your daughter take a drive with one across a bridge.
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Hard Truth Number 2 concerns the minimum wage and the delusion that labor should be valued not between those who provide it and those who pay for it, but by you based upon your own subjective notion of “fairness.” The hard truth is that you are worth precisely what an employer will pay for you, and nothing more.
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Here’s Hard Truth Number 3: If you need government to set you a “living wage,” it’s because you have failed to make yourself worth a living wage. A higher minimum wage is merely a subsidy to ensure you don’t have to put in the effort necessary to earn what you want. I’m unclear why your failure to work hard, gain skills and not do the stupid things that lead a 30 year old to be making minimum wage morally compels me to give you my money.
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Next is Hard Truth Number 4: You shouldn’t have kids if you can’t afford them. A corollary to this self-evident concept is that you shouldn’t have sex unless you can pay for your own birth control.
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That brings us to Hard Truth Number 5: Liberalism depends on a huge number of Americans being losers who can’t support themselves. Broken or nonexistent families are the root of most of society’s pathologies, and they are also essential to the Democrat demographic model. The party’s very existence depends on there being a pool of serfs desperate for handouts distributed by Democrat overlords.
My Favorite:
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Here’s Hard Truth Number 6: Your biggest problem is you. Now, a lot of people resent this truth – they say it’s “blaming the victim.” But most of the time, the purported “victim” is to blame. Did you drop out of school? Choose to use drugs? Have a couple kids with a couple losers? See, if so, you aren’t a victim of circumstance. A victim of circumstance is someone struck by lightning or attacked by a gang of thugs in a Democrat-run city. You’re a recipient of consequences.
It’s not a tragedy when bad things happen to people who make bad choices. It’s a tragedy when we lie to them by validating their failures and then try to ameliorate those consequences by taking money from people who did all the right things.
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And that leads to Hard Truth Number 7: This can’t go on.
Lady Thatcher famously formulated that, “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:16 am to TygerTyger
I used to believe in much of this until I moved to Eastern Europe and saw former hard working folks like nurses, teachers, mid range executives begging on the streets or slyling doing things like looking for empty glass bottles for exchanges that I saw that an overreliance on market nostrums can also lead to complete disaster.
There needs to be a middle road between complete free market darwinism and an overly generous welfare state.
There needs to be a middle road between complete free market darwinism and an overly generous welfare state.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:20 am to Eurocat
Wait, wasnt' Eastern Europe mostly under communist rule for the last 50+ years?
Are you trying to say that free market capitalism caused this?
Are you trying to say that free market capitalism caused this?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:23 am to TygerTyger
Latvians have a saying going from one ditch to the other one across the road. In America I guess you say going from one extreme to the other.
Capitalism HYPER capitalism has ruled Eastern Europe for 25 years. The communist years just made the people not have the legal framework in place to deal with it along with the required structures to watch over it like anti mafia cops, anti cartel bodies, etc.
Capitalism HYPER capitalism has ruled Eastern Europe for 25 years. The communist years just made the people not have the legal framework in place to deal with it along with the required structures to watch over it like anti mafia cops, anti cartel bodies, etc.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:25 am to TygerTyger
These aren't "hard truths".
These are just TRUTHS.
These are just TRUTHS.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:25 am to Eurocat
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I used to believe in much of this until I moved to Eastern Europe and saw former hard working folks like nurses, teachers, mid range executives begging on the streets or slyling doing things like looking for empty glass bottles for exchanges that I saw that an overreliance on market nostrums can also lead to complete disaster.
Our problems =/= Eastern Europe's problems. The difference between the United States and the countries of Eastern Europe is that they are still recovering from the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:28 am to RollTide1987
Oh sure, Im just encouraging people to think globally about these issues instead of purely being Americacentric when it comes to economic theories.
I am all for some reforms of some things with regards to the welfare state but it should be done carefully, studying what has happened elsewhere.
The OP article that was linked was incredibly simplistic. More of a rant than a serious analysis of global market and labor conditions.
I am all for some reforms of some things with regards to the welfare state but it should be done carefully, studying what has happened elsewhere.
The OP article that was linked was incredibly simplistic. More of a rant than a serious analysis of global market and labor conditions.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:31 am to TygerTyger
too much repetition in that article, along with way too much ad hom to be given clicks
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:34 am to NikolaiJakov
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These are just TRUTHS.
They're conservative prattle.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:37 am to Eurocat
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I am all for some reforms of some things with regards to the welfare state but it should be done carefully, studying what has happened elsewhere.
that will almost assuredly lead to the conclusion of more government. i wish i had the "yes minister" clip to post off hand
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The OP article that was linked was incredibly simplistic.
and there are simple solutions to a lot of our entitlement issue.
following the SFP 5-fold path would solve probably 90% of all "Welfare" issues, and he used a lot of my ideas
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:40 am to Layabout
What, is it not NUANCED enough for you liberal brainiacs?
When faced with simple truths, liberals always counter and deflect with comment about it being more complicated than that. They have hard ons for their own intellectual superiority. They refuse to see the bare faced simple truths because that would mean admitting that they are hypocrits, currupt, or failures. (or all three).
When faced with simple truths, liberals always counter and deflect with comment about it being more complicated than that. They have hard ons for their own intellectual superiority. They refuse to see the bare faced simple truths because that would mean admitting that they are hypocrits, currupt, or failures. (or all three).
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:43 am to Layabout
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They're conservative prattle.
Otherwise known as common-frickin'-sense
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:46 am to TygerTyger
Honestly, if you believe that is "truth" you need to stop watching Fox/listening to Rush/reading TownHall.com.
If you believe a conservative ideology is the best approach, that's great. But if you think of liberals as good-for-nothing, vote-for-free-stuff layabouts while you think of conservatives as hard working, red blooded Americans you're a fool. You're guilty of the same thing liberals do when they think conservatives are ignorant, racist, tobacco-chewing red necks. You're that guy - just on the other side of the aisle.
If you believe a conservative ideology is the best approach, that's great. But if you think of liberals as good-for-nothing, vote-for-free-stuff layabouts while you think of conservatives as hard working, red blooded Americans you're a fool. You're guilty of the same thing liberals do when they think conservatives are ignorant, racist, tobacco-chewing red necks. You're that guy - just on the other side of the aisle.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:52 am to a want
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Honestly, if you believe that is "truth"
well ... say which ones are wrong and how then.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:52 am to a want
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Honestly, if you believe that is "truth" you need to stop watching Fox/listening to Rush/reading TownHall.com.
some are truths
some are vomit
my list is much better
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:55 am to a want
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:59 am to a want
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a want
Wow man, are we neighbors?
Nope, didn't think so. In fact you are making some huge guesses about me, and you're way off base.
I don't watch fox news, turned off all news programs about 2 years ago. Same thing for all talk radio.
I think if you look at the simple demographics of voters you'll see that the majority of those on welfare, sucking off the government tit vote democrat, while most republican voters are gainfully employed.
Go down to the projects and ask the "vote-for-free-stuff layabouts" who they voted for. I will bet you $100 that you can't find 3 that voted for Romney. Or that voted for ANY Republican candidates.
"Honestly" why don't you give me some intelligent replies to where the article is wrong?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:00 am to TygerTyger
Typical cartoonish view of the other side that some people like to hear to make themselves feel better.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:00 am to TygerTyger
But they are NOT TRUTHS!!
I am in a rush so I will just answer the first three of them. Maybe more time later
"Hard Truth Number 1: If you are a liberal who really believes that your liberal heroes actually believe in liberalism, you are a sucker and a fool. Maybe even foolish enough to let your daughter take a drive with one across a bridge"
This is an attempt to force allies to start tearing at one another similar to what cops do in interrogations. You know the guy in the car with you is in the next room giving it all up right now so you better come clean. Its a trick. The fact is most liberals and leftists I know believe what they say with all their heart and soul.
"Hard Truth Number 2 concerns the minimum wage and the delusion that labor should be valued not between those who provide it and those who pay for it, but by you based upon your own subjective notion of “fairness.” The hard truth is that you are worth precisely what an employer will pay for you, and nothing more."
If you are an academic you can also come up with a theory that nothing ever gets to zero because you can half of anything. Ie. There is such a thing as half of .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 so half of that and half of that and half of that means nothing ever gets to zero in academic theory. This type of economic theory that everyone is worth just what the oligarchs will pay them is similar. Long live the work providers! The working man should shut up and take it! Minimum wage is an attempt to humanize that brutality.
"Here’s Hard Truth Number 3: If you need government to set you a “living wage,” it’s because you have failed to make yourself worth a living wage. A higher minimum wage is merely a subsidy to ensure you don’t have to put in the effort necessary to earn what you want. I’m unclear why your failure to work hard, gain skills and not do the stupid things that lead a 30 year old to be making minimum wage morally compels me to give you my money."
This is why the original link is so simplisitic. It is a rant. How do you know that someone does not want to put in the effort? Why the HATRED of the working man? If you lower the minimum wage then I am convinced that over time the AVERAGE wage for small skill work WILL fall. This will mean that an even LARGER gap will exist between welfare and work. So why will people work then? Oh let me guess, you will say lets cut welfare.
There is a country called Russia that has no minimum wage, slashed assitance to the poor and as a result due to desparation has well educationed people earning a pittance. It is called Russia.
NOW maybe you undestand why I brought it up. THIS HAS ALL BEEN TRIED IN THE PAST TWENTY YEARS ABROAD WITH DISASTEROUS RESULTS!
I am in a rush so I will just answer the first three of them. Maybe more time later
"Hard Truth Number 1: If you are a liberal who really believes that your liberal heroes actually believe in liberalism, you are a sucker and a fool. Maybe even foolish enough to let your daughter take a drive with one across a bridge"
This is an attempt to force allies to start tearing at one another similar to what cops do in interrogations. You know the guy in the car with you is in the next room giving it all up right now so you better come clean. Its a trick. The fact is most liberals and leftists I know believe what they say with all their heart and soul.
"Hard Truth Number 2 concerns the minimum wage and the delusion that labor should be valued not between those who provide it and those who pay for it, but by you based upon your own subjective notion of “fairness.” The hard truth is that you are worth precisely what an employer will pay for you, and nothing more."
If you are an academic you can also come up with a theory that nothing ever gets to zero because you can half of anything. Ie. There is such a thing as half of .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 so half of that and half of that and half of that means nothing ever gets to zero in academic theory. This type of economic theory that everyone is worth just what the oligarchs will pay them is similar. Long live the work providers! The working man should shut up and take it! Minimum wage is an attempt to humanize that brutality.
"Here’s Hard Truth Number 3: If you need government to set you a “living wage,” it’s because you have failed to make yourself worth a living wage. A higher minimum wage is merely a subsidy to ensure you don’t have to put in the effort necessary to earn what you want. I’m unclear why your failure to work hard, gain skills and not do the stupid things that lead a 30 year old to be making minimum wage morally compels me to give you my money."
This is why the original link is so simplisitic. It is a rant. How do you know that someone does not want to put in the effort? Why the HATRED of the working man? If you lower the minimum wage then I am convinced that over time the AVERAGE wage for small skill work WILL fall. This will mean that an even LARGER gap will exist between welfare and work. So why will people work then? Oh let me guess, you will say lets cut welfare.
There is a country called Russia that has no minimum wage, slashed assitance to the poor and as a result due to desparation has well educationed people earning a pittance. It is called Russia.
NOW maybe you undestand why I brought it up. THIS HAS ALL BEEN TRIED IN THE PAST TWENTY YEARS ABROAD WITH DISASTEROUS RESULTS!
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:04 am to a want
Posted by Layabout: They're conservative prattle.
Exception?
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If you believe a conservative ideology is the best approach, that's great. But if you think of liberals as good-for-nothing, vote-for-free-stuff layabouts while you think of conservatives as hard working, red blooded Americans you're a fool.
Exception?
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