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"Who is the hate group?": Response to SPLC about their new hate groups

Posted on 3/28/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 3:16 pm
tl;dr: SPLC making up stuff to make money
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Some leftwing activists say I run a hate group. They imply we are no better than the KKK or skin-head groups that want to blow up buildings and kill minorities. They want all Americans to be frightened of us. We should be kept off television and radio and stigmatized in all that we do and say. This is according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. No kidding. My organization is an officially recognized “hate group” just like the Aryan Nation. It just happened. You can look it up.


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There must have been a downtick in direct mail because a few years ago Dees and Potok decided they needed a new set of bogeymen. Indeed, they have been charged with exaggerating the number of skin head hate groups. J.M. Berger, writing in Foreign Policy, not a conservative journal, has said if a hate group has five members in one state but are in different cities, the five are counted as separate hate groups. Such shenanigans keep the dollars flowing. This non-profit charity has $250 million in the bank and raises upwards of $40 million each year in direct mail. Indeed, Dees has been honored by a national association of direct mail marketers for his prowess in scaring frightened liberal dollars into his already bulging pockets.

So, when it appeared that the skin-head con was drying up, Dees and Potok cooked up some new hate groups, Christian groups that are critical of the LGBT movement. I hesitate even to use the phrase “LGBT movement” because such phrases can land you on the hate list, though since my group is already on the list, I guess that’s ok. You see, one of the ways to land on the list is to use the phrase “homosexual agenda.” I am not sure what part of that is hateful. After all, there is a gay show on left wing radio called “The Agenda.” There was a highly influential book published in 1989 called “After the Ball” that lays out an agenda for gays which has been very successful. So, it’s a puzzler why “homosexual agenda” is a hate concept.

The other criteria are also puzzling. From the list below, you could rightly assume the Catholic Church would be on the list but Dees and Potok probably know better than that. Espouse any of these “myths” and yours is a hate group.

1. Gay men molest children at far higher rates than heterosexuals.

2. Same-sex parenting harms children.

3. People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or there was a deficiency in sex-role modeling by their parents.

4. LGBT people don’t live nearly as long as heterosexuals.

5. Gay men controlled the Nazi Party and helped to orchestrate the Holocaust.

6. Hate crime laws will lead to the jailing of pastors who criticize homosexuality and the legalization of practices like bestiality and necrophilia.

7. Allowing gay people to serve openly will damage the armed forces.

8. Gay people are more prone to be mentally ill and to abuse drugs and alcohol.

9. No one is born gay.

10. Gay people can choose to leave homosexuality.

You do not have to espouse all of these. For instance, you may be atheist or agnostic on Himmler and Goebbels being gay, as I suppose most people are. You only need to espouse a few of these “myths” that SPLC says has been roundedly and soundly crushed by “science.” To claim otherwise, to persist in these assertions against the weight of the scientific establishment and SPLC, is prima facie evidence that yours is a dangerous hate group like the Nazi Party and the Aryan Nation.

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It’s not like SPLC has not come in for criticism prior to the naming of Christian groups. Harper’s Magazine did a long take out on SPLC and concluded they are little more than hustlers. A new critical analysis by Professor George Yancey of North Texas University concludes that SPLC applies their hate criteria only for groups they disagree with politically yet leave alone liberal groups that use the same kind of “hate speech” that they level at Christian groups. Many other studies also go after SPLC for their methodology, their bias, and their fundraising.

Famously, SPLC placed the Family Research Council on the hate list a few years ago. It resulted in a gunman invading FRC’s lobby—where my wife works—shooting the security guard who subdued the shooter nonetheless. The shooter had a bag of Chick Fil A sandwiches he intended to stuff into the mouths of his murdered victims. How did he choose FRC to invade? From the hate-list provided by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The gunman became the first person convicted under Washington DC’s domestic terrorism law.

So, what are the crimes of my group? How did we land of the hate-list class of 2014? I wrote to them and asked for their dossier. They sent me a single report on a legal fight going on in Belize where we have been advising Christian groups who want to maintain their laws against sodomy. Powerful international groups have come to Belize, including the International Commission of Jurists, who are insisting that Belize has obligations under existing treaty law to strike down their anti-sodomy laws. SPLC says we support the existing law against sodomy. This is flatly not true and they have offered no proof that we support the existing law. In fact, my group does not take a position on sodomy laws and we never have. What were we doing there? We were helping them understand what international human rights law actually says on sexual orientation and gender identity. SPLC doesn’t even understand the issues yet they have concluded from their lack of understanding that we are a hate group.

In the report they also make other utterly false claims. They say we have “lauded” a man named Scott Lively, an American who has been active in Africa on the LGBT issue. He is being prosecuted under international hate crimes laws for allegedly convincing the Nigerian and Ugandan governments to outlaw homosexual behavior. SPLC has offered not a single bit of proof we have “lauded” Scott Lively.

They also claim that we “decried” a UN study on violence against homosexuals and we have lamented protections of gays against “summary execution and extra-judicial killing.” Both claims are utterly false. What we have done is explain why UN delegates, including the Holy See, have been resistant to such proposals and that has to do with the introduction of “sexual orientation and gender identity” into UN documents, because the introduction of this term in any context, however laudable, introduces a new concept that would be used to advance other issues including gay marriage.

Again, SPLC either does not understand the UN debate or they are being less than honest. It could also be laziness, simply not doing their homework. SPLC insists they repeatedly emailed my office for comment prior to the Belize report being issued. We have no record of these emails and none of my staff received them and so far SPLC has not been able to show any to us though they said they would.

SPLC is writing a further report on us. They have assured me they will let me respond before they publish. This was weeks ago. I have repeatedly emailed them asking for their questions and can show you the emails but I have yet to hear from them.
This post was edited on 3/28/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79090 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:12 pm to
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skin head hate groups


We rarely hear about these groups anymore. Most seem to be in prison or on American History X
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58704 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:14 pm to
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SPLC making up stuff to make money


This is nothing new.
Posted by NoNameNeeded
Lee's Summit, MO
Member since Dec 2013
1254 posts
Posted on 3/28/14 at 4:19 pm to
Morris Dees Seligman and Abe Foxman consider any Gentile who opposes AIPAC or Cultural Marxism to be a hate-filled "anti-Semite."

Funny how Morris Dees Seligman refuses to mention any Jewish or Israeli nationalists or terrorist organizations on his website, although these groups have committed far more hate crimes and acts of terror than any American Civil War reenactment group ever has.
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