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Laboratory of Ideas; Vermont tries single payer healthcare.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:09 pm
Fail.
Yeah, that's two times current tax revenue.
But...
This is definitely something I could see emulated at the federal level and supported by the zombiefied majority.
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In 2011, while the rest of America argued the merits of the president’s Affordable Care Act, Vermont jumped the progressive curve, promising to launch the nation’s first health single-payer system, in which state government pays providers to care for all residents.
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Condon, a Democrat from Colchester, said he thinks a single-payer system in Vermont would “cost more” than a couple of previous estimates. Those estimates pegged the cost for single-payer at anywhere from $1.6 billion to $2.2 billion annually.
Yeah, that's two times current tax revenue.
But...
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“It’s a government program [so] I think it’s going to cost more than that. Given that, I think it would be in the best interest of Vermonters to redirect our energies away from single-payer health care to trying to improve the system we’re in now,” Condon added.
This is definitely something I could see emulated at the federal level and supported by the zombiefied majority.
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Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:16 pm to GumboPot
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As Vermont Watchdog reported, an independent report by the Washington, D.C.-based consulting firm Avalere Health concluded that the costs of Green Mountain Care would require Vermont to raise tax revenue roughly equal to the state’s tax collections from all sources today
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:21 pm to UncleFestersLegs
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raise tax revenue roughly equal to the state’s tax collections from all sources today
And even Democrats (in my OP) are skeptical of those numbers. In other words doubling taxes won't be enough for a single payer system in Vermont.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
Yes, but you do realize that while people would pay more in taxes, they would no longer be paying health insurance, so there is savings right there.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:24 pm to Eurocat
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but you do realize that while people would pay more in taxes, they would no longer be paying health insurance, so there is savings right there.
and?
if their new taxes cost more than they were paying in health costs, how exactly is it a savings? when taxes of ALL forms double, do you actually think revenue will double? dont think there will be any negative economic impact to that?
oh please tell me more
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:25 pm to Eurocat
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Yes, but you do realize that while people would pay more in taxes, they would no longer be paying health insurance, so there is savings right there.
Oh lawds.
I pay a lot more in taxes a year than I pay for my family's healthcare insurance.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:27 pm to jcole4lsu
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oh please tell me more
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:27 pm to Eurocat
So what happens when the program predictably goes into the red? More taxes?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:32 pm to upgrayedd
Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone except the insurance companies.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:35 pm to Eurocat
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Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone
economics not your strong suit, huh sport?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:37 pm to Eurocat
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Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone except the insurance companies.
So they should be satisfied with paying 25% of their income for something that used to cost them 5-10% of their income?
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:37 pm to Eurocat
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Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone except the insurance companies.
I love my health insurance, no deductibles, great co-pays and for two adults $265 a mo. Leave my insurance the frick alone.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:38 pm to Eurocat
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Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone except the insurance companies.
But the federal government just replaces the insurance company.
WE STILL HAVE A MIDDLE MAN BETWEEN ME AND MY DOCTOR!
Single payer FORCES me to have a middle man between me an my doctor. Why do you support forcing me to have a middle man between me and my doctor? I would much rather pay directly to the doctor or hospital though some type of concierge service.
No federal government and no insurance company (if I choose) Now that's a win/win.
We just need less regulation, less cronyism and more freedom to make it happen.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:42 pm to upgrayedd
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So they should be satisfied with paying 25% of their income for something that used to cost them 5-10% of their income?
Not only that, but also paying for something they don't use all the time. Especially the young. Sounds like a great deal to me.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:43 pm to Eurocat
quote:Unless you were paying less than you would after doubling your tax payments.
Yes more taxes. And no more health insurance and no more deductibles. Win-win for everyone except the insurance companies.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:45 pm to upgrayedd
quote:They would also have to increase taxes on businesses as well wouldn't they?
So they should be satisfied with paying 25% of their income for something that used to cost them 5-10% of their income?
That would kinda up the amount people in that state would have to pay as well.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:46 pm to boxcarbarney
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Not only that, but also paying for something they don't use all the time. Especially the young. Sounds like a great deal to me.
Yeah the young should be required to purchase more and pay more to support the old people because the old people have sacrificed so much for the young'ns.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:46 pm to Scruffy
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They would also have to increase taxes on businesses as well wouldn't they?
That would kinda up the amount people in that state would have to pay as well.
nah, it would decrease it. double the tax on business and business will move to a new state.
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:47 pm to GumboPot
quote:I'll support this only if we also institute the Logan's Run doctrine.
Yeah the young should be required to purchase more and pay more to support the old people because the old people have sacrificed so much for the young'ns.
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nah, it would decrease it. double the tax on business and business will move to a new state.
There is that.
This post was edited on 3/18/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/18/14 at 2:49 pm to Scruffy
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I'll support this only if we also institute the Logan's Run doctrine.
20 years ago, I would've supported this. Now? Not so much.
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