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Baton rouge eyeing annexing LSU's south campus, and Ben Hur
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:49 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:49 am
e\research farms in order to get at the casino.
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Even though many believe SG organizers have sputtered, the parish hierarchy isn't stopping and apparently are scheming at ways to control more of the commercial enterprises in the parish.
Notice their emphasis on businesses and not citizens.
Opponents of the St. George incorporation may say it's about community, but in the end it's about the money and in this case tax revenues from a casino.
The old axiom of "follow the money" is in full play here. While citizens debate the merits of another city, another school system, our fearless leadership is scheming to take everything they can get for the city of Baton Rouge. Like any big government they have to take take take. That's the nature of big govt.
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Even though many believe SG organizers have sputtered, the parish hierarchy isn't stopping and apparently are scheming at ways to control more of the commercial enterprises in the parish.
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William Daniel, chief administrative officer for Mayor-President Kip Holden, said LSU and L’Auberge Casino Hotel are just two of many businesses the city of Baton Rouge is talking to about the impacts of St. George.
Notice their emphasis on businesses and not citizens.
Opponents of the St. George incorporation may say it's about community, but in the end it's about the money and in this case tax revenues from a casino.
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L’Auberge Casino representatives declined to respond to questions about whether they are interested in annexation.
“L’Auberge Casino Hotel Baton Rouge enjoys a great relationship with the City of Baton Rouge and the East Baton Rouge Parish. Any efforts regarding the incorporation of St. George should be left up to the voting residents of the East Baton Rouge Parish,” L’Auberge officials said in a prepared email statement sent from spokeswoman Julie Collins.
The old axiom of "follow the money" is in full play here. While citizens debate the merits of another city, another school system, our fearless leadership is scheming to take everything they can get for the city of Baton Rouge. Like any big government they have to take take take. That's the nature of big govt.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:58 am to doubleb
Oh, maybe this thread will get to 10+ pages!
So yes it's about the money, but not like you think it is.
The main reason more businesses weren't annexed into the city was it would raise taxes in the areas affected. And it didn't really matter to the city since they would just transfer the funds via a service agreement anyway.
So the city was happy and business was happy. And consumers, though they didn't know it, were happy too. Now St. George comes along and says "wait look at all OUR money the city is taking!" Now the city has to scramble to capture it's tax base (as Russian predicted btw) and taxes will go up on businesses (which gets passed onto consumers). All this, by they way, makes our retail centers slightly less competitive with surrounding areas (like Tanger outlet mall).
So the first result of the St. George incorporation effort is...higher taxes!
Yeah!
So yes it's about the money, but not like you think it is.
The main reason more businesses weren't annexed into the city was it would raise taxes in the areas affected. And it didn't really matter to the city since they would just transfer the funds via a service agreement anyway.
So the city was happy and business was happy. And consumers, though they didn't know it, were happy too. Now St. George comes along and says "wait look at all OUR money the city is taking!" Now the city has to scramble to capture it's tax base (as Russian predicted btw) and taxes will go up on businesses (which gets passed onto consumers). All this, by they way, makes our retail centers slightly less competitive with surrounding areas (like Tanger outlet mall).
So the first result of the St. George incorporation effort is...higher taxes!
Yeah!
Posted on 2/26/14 at 8:58 am to doubleb
Once again, Kip Holden is missing a golden opportunity to unite the city by listening to the folks in St George and doing something about it.
Instead, his administration continues to play the power and race card banking on the incorporation not happening.
One thing that is certain to come from this, regardless of whether or not it passes: Relations between Baton Rouge and people in St George will be far worse than they were before. If those folks felt ignored before, image how they'll feel now.
Instead, his administration continues to play the power and race card banking on the incorporation not happening.
One thing that is certain to come from this, regardless of whether or not it passes: Relations between Baton Rouge and people in St George will be far worse than they were before. If those folks felt ignored before, image how they'll feel now.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:03 am to elprez00
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Once again, Kip Holden is missing a golden opportunity to unite the city by listening to the folks in St George and doing something about it
What do you want the Mayor to do? Remember he doesn't control (or have anything to do with) the school system.
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One thing that is certain to come from this, regardless of whether or not it passes: Relations between Baton Rouge and people in St George will be far worse than they were before.
Agree.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:05 am to doubleb
What's wrong with the city asking lsu? The main campus is in Baton Rouge and separated by just a few miles from these outposts. Do people for St George believe that the city isn't going to fight for the business? Do y'all not understand that you aren't going to keep the bluebonnet retail?
I personally despise the racism angle and believe it's not the reason behind the desired spilt but I have no issues with the city here.
I personally despise the racism angle and believe it's not the reason behind the desired spilt but I have no issues with the city here.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:05 am to elprez00
Why would St George organizers want the casino to be in their tax district so badly?
Do school children live in the casino?
eta: I told you guys early on that many businesses will want to protect themselves against St George taxation by joining BR as a mitigation plan.
Do school children live in the casino?
eta: I told you guys early on that many businesses will want to protect themselves against St George taxation by joining BR as a mitigation plan.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:08 am to BigJim
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What do you want the Mayor to do? Remember he doesn't control (or have anything to do with) the school system.
The mayor is the boss. He can get people in the room. He exudes a tremendous amount of influence over the metro council. How different would this situation be if Kip was going on TV saying "We need to do whatever it takes to keep this city together. The school board must listen to these folks, as they are an essential part of our city."
The mayor can most certainly affect how this situation will go down.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:10 am to doubleb
I've been telling you SG proponents from the very beginning of our 'thread wars' on St George that Baton Rouge was not going to sit by and let millions of dollars of tax revenue just be taken away.
I've posted repeatedly that the currently unincorporated areas which produce significant amounts of tax revenues, including sales taxes, will be incorporated into BR long before those areas can be included into SG.
Why do you seem surprised at this latest news? Do you believe me now?
I've posted repeatedly that the currently unincorporated areas which produce significant amounts of tax revenues, including sales taxes, will be incorporated into BR long before those areas can be included into SG.
Why do you seem surprised at this latest news? Do you believe me now?
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:13 am to BigJim
quote:Yes, I did.
Now the city has to scramble to capture it's tax base (as Russian predicted btw)
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:17 am to elprez00
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The mayor is the boss. He can get people in the room. He exudes a tremendous amount of influence over the metro council. How different would this situation be if Kip was going on TV saying "We need to do whatever it takes to keep this city together. The school board must listen to these folks, as they are an essential part of our city."
The mayor can most certainly affect how this situation will go down.
So he should do more from a rhetorical/leadership perspective? I can see that. He has chastised some of the metro council members when they went a little too far (the only city residents can be city employees nonsense). But I agree he could do more.
On the other hand, I see no willingness to accept any kind of compromise from the St. George supporters. But maybe it is too early for that anyway.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:24 am to BigJim
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On the other hand, I see no willingness to accept any kind of compromise from the St. George supporters.
Where has BR offered any compromises? The only thing that has come from BR over this issue is they claim that SG is racist, unorganized, and don't know what they are doing. BR officials have ONLY antagonized the SG proponents. Nothing has been offered, nothing has been negotiated, nothing has been done, other than try to demean, and smear the people of St. George.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:27 am to elprez00
quote:Based on the posts on this board by the SG supporters, I don't think there is anything Kip Holden could do or say to mollify them. They are incapable of being pleased.
Kip Holden is missing a golden opportunity to unite the city by listening to the folks in St George and doing something about it.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:30 am to BugAC
quote:Where have the SG supporters offered any compromise?
Where has BR offered any compromises?
quote:That is a gross exaggeration. The SG area has been the area of the parish where the most infrastructure money from the Green Light program has been spent over the last 5 years.
Nothing has been offered, nothing has been negotiated, nothing has been done, other than try to demean, and smear the people of St. George.
Three of the seven new schools in the EBRSS district which have been built over the past 5 years have been in St George.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:32 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:31 am to BugAC
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Where has BR offered any compromises? The only thing that has come from BR over this issue is they claim that SG is racist, unorganized, and don't know what they are doing. BR officials have ONLY antagonized the SG proponents. Nothing has been offered, nothing has been negotiated, nothing has been done, other than try to demean, and smear the people of St. George.
It's all they know how to do. They're taking a play out of the playbook from the leaders of Atlanta, Memphis, and Birmingham. All places where this has already happend.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:33 am to LSURussian
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That is a gross exaggeration. The SG area has been the area of the parish where the most infrastructure money from the Green Light program has been spent over the last 5 years.
This is a serious question and I have too little understanding to have a "side"...but,
1) If an area is unincorporated presently, and
2) Said area votes to become an incorporated "city", and
3) Said vote is constitutional and not corrupt
Is there something "wrong" with it? Must this group "offer compromises"?
I really want to know.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:33 am to LSURussian
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Based on the posts on this board by the SG supporters, I don't think there is anything Kip Holden could do or say to mollify them. They are incapable of being pleased.
But on the other hand SG opponents have been model citizens, understanding, and willing to listen to the opposition.
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:34 am to LSURussian
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Where have the SG supporters offered any compromise?
This whole thing could have been avoided had the legislature allowed us to start our own school district.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:38 am to LSURussian
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Three of the seven new schools in the EBRSS district which have been built over the past 5 years have been in St George.
Name them.
If you say Woodlawn, that would be a replacement for an existing school that was structurally unsound.
Lee High? Not there yet, but, again, a replacement, not a "new' school (i.e., "adding" a school).
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:42 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:From a legal standpoint, no. It's perfectly legal.
Is there something "wrong" with it?
From a governmental and logistical standpoint, I believe it is terribly wrong to add another layer of local government which would duplicate or complicate such things as economic development efforts, building permitting processes, court administration processes (the new city would have to establish its own city court since it would no longer be eligible to use the BR city court system) and law enforcement coordination just to list a few.
Look at it this way, it would be legal for every neighborhood to vote on incorporating as its own city. But what a nightmare that would be!
Just look at the "foot print" of the proposed new city. It's not even considered to be a community currently. It's a gerrymandered (for tax revenue purposes) jigsaw puzzle which would actually be larger in area than BR is.
Posted on 2/26/14 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
Thanks.
I can see the Pro v Con portion
I was just wondering about the "compromise", etc aspect.
It seems to me that those issues are for the ones within the area that want to vote NO to use as an argument. So long as they are following established protocol...I'm not upset at anyone for excising their right to do it.
I can see the hurdles. Those maybe would sway me to vote NO were I a voter in the area.
Has a vote been scheduled?
I can see the Pro v Con portion
I was just wondering about the "compromise", etc aspect.
It seems to me that those issues are for the ones within the area that want to vote NO to use as an argument. So long as they are following established protocol...I'm not upset at anyone for excising their right to do it.
I can see the hurdles. Those maybe would sway me to vote NO were I a voter in the area.
Has a vote been scheduled?
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