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Andreas Antonopoulos (CSO of Blockchain.info) statement on Mt Gox

Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:44 pm
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:44 pm
A solid read
quote:


Over the past several weeks, I too have been following the unfolding story of the latest Gox problems, from the outside. I was one of the earliest critics of Mt.Gox, calling on people to abandon the exchange in April of 2013 during one of their previous (of several) self-induced meltdowns

In April of 2013 I said:

“Magic The Gathering Online Exchange is a systemic risk to bitcoin, a death trap for traders and a business run by the clueless.” https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172991.msg1801451#msg1801451

That same week, I participated in a podcast for LetsTalkBitcoin where we advised customers of Gox to leave and never trust that exchange again with their funds.

April 2013 was also the last time I did business with Mt.Gox, moving all my funds to blockchain.info which allowed me to maintain control of my keys without the possibility of theft from or by the site operator.

Since then I have made repeated public statements advising people to avoid Gox and commenting on their latest mess (USD withdrawals, lag, DDoS etc).

Approximately two weeks ago, Gox claimed that Transaction Malleability “a bug in bitcoin”, which was known since 2011, was forcing them to suspend withdrawals. I publicly excoriated Gox’s incompetent and clownish management and disputed their claim that their problems were due to a “bug in bitcoin”.

A few days later, a bot started using Tx-Mal as a broad DoS attack against all exchanges, aiming to uncover if other exchanges were vulnerable. In response, some exchanges temporarily suspended withdrawals to investigate their implementations and confirm they were robust. I was part of the team helping to coordinate between the other exchanges to ensure that they could quickly resume operations which they did no more than 48 hours later. Some exchanges were in fact completely unaffected, revealing as false Gox’s claims that this was a bug in bitcoin.

Blockchain.info staff jumped in to help from the very first moment, even though blockchain.info’s wallet and block explorer were not affected by Tx-Mal. While I offered coordination and assistance with the media response, blockchain.info staff developed a new API on blockchain.info to present a partial transaction ID (NTXID) solution developed by core developer “”sipa”, based on the immutable inputs of at transaction. We offered that on blockchain.info as an independent location to look up and verify transactions with by ntxid. During this time, Mark Karpeles was active on the forums and developer boards and appeared to be implementing fixes to Gox software to address Tx-Mal. This solution helped many exchanges accelerate their technical fixes to their infrastructure and between this and other industry efforts, all the other exchanges resumed normal operations in less than 48hrs. I am very proud of the role blockchain.info team played in providing technical asisstance to many across the bitcoin industry at a time of crisis.

As I watched Karpeles post updates on public channels (like #bitcoin-dev on IRC) about the NTXID solution, I became more optimistic that a technical solution to Gox’s code problems was imminent. As we started seeing Gox transactions posted on the public blockchain ledger, as reported on reddit and other sites, it appeared to me as if Gox might recover from their latest mess. During this entire time, I had no information about Gox’s financial state other than what Mark Karpeles posted publicly. I don’t know Mark Karpeles personally and I don’t think I have ever met him or communicated with him directly.

At this point I felt bittersweet: I wanted Gox to recover and allow customers to retrieve their funds as quickly as possible. Yet, I knew and had publicly expressed, that the underlying problem would not be fixed: Proven management incompetence, expressed by a variety of massive failures, and their failure to hire a competent security and management team. My primary concern was for the funds of customers trapped on Gox and therefore I kept hoping for the best: a way for people to get out of this horribly mismanaged business.

In interviews, throughout last week, I stated that while I had serious misgivings about the competence of Mt.Gox executives and especially Karpeles, I had not seen any indication of bad faith or fraud in the past two years. Furthermore, Gox had stated publicly that they kept the majority of funds in “cold storage”, so I believed that even if the exchange had been defrauded because of their poor implementation of withdrawals-based-on-transaction-ID, the damage would be limited to the “hot wallet”.

Yesterday afternoon at approximately 3pm PST, Monday February 24th, I heard unconfirmed reports that Gox was in crisis mode and their funds were mostly, if not entirely, gone. This was the first hint I had of any solvency issues. Less than 30 minutes later, I found a public blog post with a lot more detail here:

https://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77745633839/bitcoins-apocalyptic-moment-mt-gox-may-have-lost

Based on this blog, it appears their “cold storage” was not in fact “cold” – which is either a stunning misrepresentation of their security or an outright lie. “Cold storage” does not “leak”. The idea that the funds were stolen, unnoticed, from cold storage, due to Transaction Malleability, strains the credulity of even the most gullible observers.

As I write this, Tuesday Feb 25th at 9:00am PST, I still have no official confirmation and I know nothing beyond what is in that article, but I fear the worst. Everything I see makes me believe that Gox will never recover and that the funds are most likely lost.

I am devastated by the impact this will have on customers of Gox and I am angry at the irresponsible behavior of Mt. Gox and especially Mark Karpeles that will damage the lives of many people.

Even though I read the blog posting about Gox’s problems sooner than most, I did not sell any bitcoin and will not sell any in the coming weeks. I continue to be committed to bitcoin’s future and I am confident that the bitcoin industry and community will add Gox, along-side SilkRoad, as a lesson and move towards the future, stronger.

Last night, I took action to help rebuild some of the trust that this community desperately needs after reports of a massive breach of trust. I spent the evening and into the late night at the offices of Coinbase, reviewing their funds security with my own eyes. They invited me and I volunteered, even though they are a competitor and I have no professional relationship with the company, because they felt that an independent review would quickly put customers at ease. My statement on Coinbase:

https://antonopoulos.com/2014/02/25/coinbase-review/

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Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

We will face a storm of negative media, conflating Gox with bitcoin and hurting the bitcoin community in the short term. First and foremost, we must all be thinking of the people affected by the loss of funds in Gox and I extend my heartfelt sympathy to them all. We must honestly and directly address the concerns of all users and interested parties, emphasizing the difference between a decentralized trusted system (bitcoin) and the failures of a single company that did not use the trust mechanisms offered by bitcoin’s blockchain technology.

Gox represents a the failure of a poorly managed exchange that had full centralized control of customer funds, in custodial accounts, off the bitcoin blockchain. By keeping the funds off the blockchain, Gox removed the protections of transparency and end-user control and replicated the model of a centralized bank without any of the controls and oversight such institutions require.

There is a better way: bitcoin companies can maintain customer funds on the bitcoin blockchain with full transparency and accountability. We can offer client-side key-management solutions that put full control in the hands of the customers and remove them from the control of custodians, be they exchanges, markets or web-wallets. If a bitcoin company keeps custodial access to customer funds (holds their keys), then they can and must offer cryptographic-proof of solvency through the blockchain.

I will continue to work tirelessly with the rest of the industry to build trustworthy, transparent, decentralized and cryptographically provable solutions that protect customer funds and allow them to retain full control.

We must all draw hard lessons from this experience and use them to make our community stronger. A few individuals cannot nullify the positive and inspiring work of thousands.

I continue to believe in this community, full of hope, innovation and creativity and acting in good faith to promote this incredibly important technology that can improve the lives of billions.

Andreas M. Antonopoulos
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27824 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:22 pm to
Glad to hear from an unbiased, independent individual with no financial ties to btc. I shall put all my money with them now..
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:45 pm to
Where did the missing Bitcoins go? That question remains unanswered. Just as importantly, this should demonstrate that dishonest people will exploit any opportunity to take advantage of others. It is nearly impossible to identify the dishonest until they have acted, and there is nothing to prevent the dishonest from using legitimate enterprises to conduct their schemes for exploiting others. The unregulated commerce involving Bitcoins is an open invitation to the unscrupulous since accountability is limited or nonexistent.

None the less, I got a kick out of Antonopulos, whose website I have linked several times, beating his chest that he warned people not to trust MtGOX months ago.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 10:48 pm to
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The unregulated commerce involving Bitcoins is an open invitation to the unscrupulous since accountability is limited or nonexistent.


Did you read the link that Antonopoulus included in his statement regarding his review of Coinbase's holdings?

There is a rush for exchanges and online wallets to ensure their customers that their money is safe.

I just hope the regulators stay the frick away, and from what it looks like, I think they will.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:07 pm to
Are you 100% certain there are no dishonest people at Coinbase, or any other enterprise whether it is involved in Bitcoins or not? Not even the honest people at those enterprises are 100% certain. Otherwise why would they need internal controls and independent auditors? And I doubt Antonopoulos was able to perform more than a perfunctory review of Coinbase's security procedures. Coinbase claims to use multiple cold storage locations around the globe. Do you honestly think Antonopoulos observed Coinbase operations at all of those locations? Saying you do something doesn't mean you do it. Just ask MtGOX.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:12 pm to
quote:

Are you 100% certain there are no dishonest people at Coinbase, or any other enterprise whether it is involved in Bitcoins or not? Not even the honest people at those enterprises are 100% certain


Sure there are dishonest people everywhere, that doesn't mean that the leaders in the industry are looking at ways to satisfy customers.

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And I doubt Antonopoulos was able to perform more than a perfunctory review of Coinbase's security procedures. Coinbase claims to use multiple cold storage locations around the globe





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I was shown an internal reporting tool used by Coinbase to verify total customer funds and the allocation of funds between the “hot wallet” and “cold storage” and funds in transit. Coinbase shared their process and technical details for cold storage, including their process to ensure funds cannot be retrieved from cold storage without the assembly of multiple keys controlled by different people.

While Coinbase publicly states that up to 97% of customer funds are in cold storage, at the time of my visit, their internal reporting tool showed that the cold storage system contained 98.8% of customer funds. To confirm for myself that these funds were in the cold storage system, I looked up the balance each of the cold storage addresses against the public blockchain, using an external site. The balance recorded on the public blockchain ledger for each of the addresses matched the balance recorded in Coinbase’s accounting system.

Although the accounting system and the blockchain balances appeared to match, I wanted to confirm that these addresses were actually controlled by Coinbase, thereby ensuring they controlled the funds. I randomly selected one of the cold storage addresses and requested that a transaction be signed to prove ownership of the address. This was not pre-arranged nor was there any warning that I would make such a request. Coinbase complied with my request and produced a transaction that proved they owned the cold storage address of my choosing.

Based on what I observed during my visit and my experience in security, it appears that the Coinbase system contains the expected funds and their cold storage system and process appear to be operating according to security best practices


quote:

Saying you do something doesn't mean you do it. Just ask MtGOX.


Andreas is the CSO for a competitor of Coinbase. Lying on behalf of Coinbase's security practices as the CSO of another company makes very little sense.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 11:58 pm to
quote:

Andreas is the CSO for a competitor of Coinbase. Lying on behalf of Coinbase's security practices as the CSO of another company makes very little sense.

How do you 100% know that?

For all we know Andreas is the inventor of Bitcoin, and runs both exchangfes, and is calming the waters before he cashes in like MT Gox just did?
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45217 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:03 am to
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and runs both exchangfes,


Neither blockchain.info or Coinbase are exchanges.

Blockchain.info is a block explorer and web wallet.

Coinbase is a web wallet, transaction network, and a broker.

We also know who owns a majority of Coinbase... Andressen-Horowitz.

Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 12:41 am to
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I was shown an internal reporting tool used by Coinbase to verify total customer funds and the allocation of funds between the “hot wallet” and “cold storage” and funds in transit.
A computer program that delivers output based on input. Did he verify how the data was input?
quote:

Coinbase shared their process and technical details for cold storage, including their process to ensure funds cannot be retrieved from cold storage without the assembly of multiple keys controlled by different people.
Did he witness the procedures being used?

I could ask similar questions about everything Antonopoulos observed. Even Antonopoulos qualified his opinion.
quote:

Based on what I observed during my visit and my experience in security, it appears that the Coinbase system contains the expected funds and their cold storage system and process appear to be operating according to security best practices
What does appears mean? His attestation to Coinbase's integrity is better than nothing, but it is not proof positive.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123908 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 6:56 am to
quote:

Where did the missing Bitcoins go? That question remains unanswered. Just as importantly, this should demonstrate that dishonest people will exploit any opportunity to take advantage of others. It is nearly impossible to identify the dishonest until they have acted, and there is nothing to prevent the dishonest from using legitimate enterprises to conduct their schemes for exploiting others. The unregulated commerce involving Bitcoins is an open invitation to the unscrupulous since accountability is limited or nonexistent.
quote:

Are you 100% certain there are no dishonest people at Coinbase, or any other enterprise whether it is involved in Bitcoins or not? Not even the honest people at those enterprises are 100% certain. Otherwise why would they need internal controls and independent auditors? And I doubt Antonopoulos was able to perform more than a perfunctory review of Coinbase's security procedures. Coinbase claims to use multiple cold storage locations around the globe. Do you honestly think Antonopoulos observed Coinbase operations at all of those locations? Saying you do something doesn't mean you do it. Just ask MtGOX.
Ouch!
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58732 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:34 am to
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I just hope the regulators stay the frick away, and from what it looks like, I think they will.


Hate to break it to you, but they most assuredly won't. They may not pounce now (they're slow moving bureaucracies after all), but they are inexorably moving in that direction.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7612 posts
Posted on 2/26/14 at 7:52 am to
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I just hope the regulators stay the frick away, and from what it looks like, I think they will.

Did someone say this and you are just repeating it? I seriously cannot fathom how you come up with some of the things you say.

Japanese regulators to take a closer look at bitcoin
This post was edited on 2/26/14 at 7:53 am
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