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BCS in review vs 4 team playoff? Let's see what the potential playoff would be
Posted on 1/16/14 at 9:59 am
Posted on 1/16/14 at 9:59 am
Playoff was chosen by taking top 4 in BCS
1998
BCS FSU vs. Tennessee
Playoffs Tenn vs. tOSU, Kstate vs FSU
Notes: Would've been a good year for a playoff IMO, because KSU and tOSU both had an argument to be in.
1999
BCS FSU vs. VT
Playoffs FSU vs Bama, VT vs Nebraska
Notes: BCS had it right. I don't think a 2 loss Bama should be in over 1 loss Kstate, but it would've been voted that way because Bama.
2000
BCS FSU vs. OU
Playoffs OU vs Washington, FSU vs Miami
Notes: Would've been a great year for a playoff. However, Oreg state and VT both would've had arguments to get in, especially since Washington beat Miami.
2001
BCS Miami vs Nebraska
Playoffs Miami vs Oregon, Colorado vs Nebraska
Notes: Like playoff here, but dislike CU/NU rematch.
2002
BCS OSU vs Miami
Playoffs Miami vs USC, OSU vs UGA
Notes: Prefer BCS here. USC has 2 losses and only two undefeated teams. UGA could've made some noise
2003
BCS LSU vs OU
Playoffs OU vs Mich, LSU vs USC
Notes: 1st year playoff was really necessary and people viewed BCS as failure. USC had an argument that they had the better loss than LSU. However, lots of 2 loss teams battling for 4th spot.
2004
BCS USC vs OU
Playoffs USC vs UT, OU vs Auburn
Notes: This year solidified bitching in the BCS if last year didn't. Playoff would've definitely been great here, but still arguments of why UT deserved it over Cal or Utah.
2005
BCS USC vs Texas
Playoffs USC vs OSU, UT vs Penn State
Notes: So glad this wasn't a playoff year as it gave us the greatest game in CFB history. Also, lots of questions why OSU would've gotten in over 1 loss Oregon when they had 2 losses.
Just from looking at the first half of the BCS era, I'd say a 4 team playoff will be fricking great, but there will be some "New York Giant" type teams who sucked early on (2 losses) who get hot at the end.
5 out of these 8 years would've benefited from a playoff.
1998
BCS FSU vs. Tennessee
Playoffs Tenn vs. tOSU, Kstate vs FSU
Notes: Would've been a good year for a playoff IMO, because KSU and tOSU both had an argument to be in.
1999
BCS FSU vs. VT
Playoffs FSU vs Bama, VT vs Nebraska
Notes: BCS had it right. I don't think a 2 loss Bama should be in over 1 loss Kstate, but it would've been voted that way because Bama.
2000
BCS FSU vs. OU
Playoffs OU vs Washington, FSU vs Miami
Notes: Would've been a great year for a playoff. However, Oreg state and VT both would've had arguments to get in, especially since Washington beat Miami.
2001
BCS Miami vs Nebraska
Playoffs Miami vs Oregon, Colorado vs Nebraska
Notes: Like playoff here, but dislike CU/NU rematch.
2002
BCS OSU vs Miami
Playoffs Miami vs USC, OSU vs UGA
Notes: Prefer BCS here. USC has 2 losses and only two undefeated teams. UGA could've made some noise
2003
BCS LSU vs OU
Playoffs OU vs Mich, LSU vs USC
Notes: 1st year playoff was really necessary and people viewed BCS as failure. USC had an argument that they had the better loss than LSU. However, lots of 2 loss teams battling for 4th spot.
2004
BCS USC vs OU
Playoffs USC vs UT, OU vs Auburn
Notes: This year solidified bitching in the BCS if last year didn't. Playoff would've definitely been great here, but still arguments of why UT deserved it over Cal or Utah.
2005
BCS USC vs Texas
Playoffs USC vs OSU, UT vs Penn State
Notes: So glad this wasn't a playoff year as it gave us the greatest game in CFB history. Also, lots of questions why OSU would've gotten in over 1 loss Oregon when they had 2 losses.
Just from looking at the first half of the BCS era, I'd say a 4 team playoff will be fricking great, but there will be some "New York Giant" type teams who sucked early on (2 losses) who get hot at the end.
5 out of these 8 years would've benefited from a playoff.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 10:01 am
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Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:01 am to Moustache
When picking your 4 team playoff are you picking the top 4 teams in the BCS ranking? Because, if so, those wouldn't be the matchups.
The committee has already came out and stated they aren't putting the top 4 teams in. More likely the top 4 conference champions.
In most cases the top 4 most likely wont be from the same conference but it does happen every now and then.
The committee has already came out and stated they aren't putting the top 4 teams in. More likely the top 4 conference champions.
In most cases the top 4 most likely wont be from the same conference but it does happen every now and then.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:01 am to Moustache
quote:
2003
BCS LSU vs OU
Playoffs OU vs Mich, LSU vs USC
Notes: 1st year playoff was really necessary and people viewed BCS as failure. USC had an argument that they had the better loss than LSU. However, lots of 2 loss teams battling for 4th spot.
A 35-7 shellacking final week loss should have knocked OU out of the NC picture.
LSU and USC should have been the matchup.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:03 am to Moustache
What is your criteria for judging which one is better?
Are you just looking if the most deserving teams got a shot at the NCG?
You need to consider the #5/#6 teams that get left out of a playoff if you are going to hold the #3/#4 teams being left out against the BCS.
Are you just looking if the most deserving teams got a shot at the NCG?
You need to consider the #5/#6 teams that get left out of a playoff if you are going to hold the #3/#4 teams being left out against the BCS.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:07 am to Dr. Shultz
quote:
When picking your 4 team playoff are you picking the top 4 teams in the BCS ranking? Because, if so, those wouldn't be the matchups.
Yes. But it would suck arse if 9-3 Big 12 champion gets in over 11-1 SEC West Runner up.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:12 am to Moustache
quote:
Yes. But it would suck arse if 9-3 Big 12 champion gets in over 11-1 SEC West Runner up.
I think this will happen to a certain extent and we will hear the same arguments we are currently getting.
I also don't like the financial implications the playoff will have on fans trying to travel but I guess that comes with the territory.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 10:14 am
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:14 am to Moustache
quote:
Yes. But it would suck arse if 9-3 Big 12 champion gets in over 11-1 SEC West Runner up.
It will suck but it will happen.
I understand why it would happen as well. I mean.. Why should a team that won the SEC and has proven to be the best team in the SEC have to face another SEC team, he has proven to be better than, again in a playoff??
I think eventually it will grow to a 8 team or 16 team playoff and this argument will be null. But at a 4 team playoff this is the right thing to do. Get the best of the best from the top 4 conferences and let them fight it out for the champonship
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:15 am to Dr. Shultz
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Why should a team that won the SEC and has proven to be the best team in the SEC have to face another SEC team, he has proven to be better than, again in a playoff??
It better happen if it's LSU vying for a rematch vs Alabama.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:17 am to Captain Ron
quote:
It better happen if it's LSU vying for a rematch vs Alabama.
one can dream. The whole LSU vs. Alabama rematch is what made the committee have this way of thinking I believe. No one wants to see a rematch of two teams in the same conference for the championship game.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:35 am to Moustache
The playoff will be a colossal failure. The reason we had a BCS in the first place was because a system that relied solely on voting wasn't good enough; the computer component at least added some objectivity against which we could stack the votes and uncover obvious voting bias.
So what do we have now? A system that relies solely on voting.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
So what do we have now? A system that relies solely on voting.
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:35 am to Captain Ron
quote:This is the only game Oklahoma played that year.
A 35-7 shellacking final week loss should have knocked OU out of the NC picture.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:38 am to Dr. Shultz
quote:Because that's how sports works sometimes. The regular season determines the best teams. The playoffs determine the champion.
Why should a team that won the SEC and has proven to be the best team in the SEC have to face another SEC team, he has proven to be better than, again in a playoff??
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:45 am to Dr. Shultz
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The whole LSU vs. Alabama rematch is what made the committee have this way of thinking I believe. No one wants to see a rematch of two teams in the same conference for the championship game.
Oklahoma State got screwed over by the human polls that year. And while it may be true that Alabama had the better loss, it was also true that Oklahoma State had the better wins. The computers preferred them over Alabama, but the humans preferred the Tide over the Cowboys. Some of the humans had an agenda IMO and one of the Harris poll members voted OSU #8. Under previous versions of the formula, when humans only accounted for 1/4th of the formula instead of 2/3rds, the Cowboys would have gotten in.
The only two years that I think a playoff was needed was in 2004, when an undefeated Auburn got left out and 2010 when an undefeated TCU got left out, because I think there's a good chance that the team that got left out might have performed better than the the team that lost the championship game. I have no sympathy at all for teams that didn't go undefeated.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 10:50 am to trackfan
So... what happens if, for instance, South Carolina blows the doors off of everyone they play in the east. Average margin of victory... 40 points. Don't lose a game.
Ole Miss does the same in the west (Ok, I thought Alabama, but Ole Miss somehow showed up on the screen... a guy can dream, can't he?). Both undefeated, both light years ahead of anyone else in the country. Then, in the SEC championship game, one of them wins 2-0 or 3-2 or some ridiculously low score. Does the loser, who gave up a field goal or a fluke safety or something, shafted and not have a chance at all to make the playoff?
Ole Miss does the same in the west (Ok, I thought Alabama, but Ole Miss somehow showed up on the screen... a guy can dream, can't he?). Both undefeated, both light years ahead of anyone else in the country. Then, in the SEC championship game, one of them wins 2-0 or 3-2 or some ridiculously low score. Does the loser, who gave up a field goal or a fluke safety or something, shafted and not have a chance at all to make the playoff?
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:02 am to SSpaniel
What I'm saying is that teams that lose a game don't have the same argument as undefeated teams, regardless of the system used. In your example, you would have to look at the results of the other 100+ teams before you decide who deserves what. What if you had PAC 12, Big 12 and Big 10 champions who had all steamrolled everyone on their schedule? Why should the SEC loser get a bid over them?
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:11 am to trackfan
quote:No they didn't. Alabama proved on the field that they were better.
Oklahoma State got screwed over by the human polls that year.
Same record, slightly tougher schedule on OSU's part, but the margin/ratio of victory was insanely in Alabama's favor. Bama scored 4.08 times as much as their opponents; Oklahoma State scored 1.91 times as much as their opponents. This is because Alabama was better.
quote:
I have no sympathy at all for teams that didn't go undefeated.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:12 am to SSpaniel
quote:
Ole Miss does the same in the west (Ok, I thought Alabama, but Ole Miss somehow showed up on the screen... a guy can dream, can't he?). Both undefeated, both light years ahead of anyone else in the country. Then, in the SEC championship game, one of them wins 2-0 or 3-2 or some ridiculously low score. Does the loser, who gave up a field goal or a fluke safety or something, shafted and not have a chance at all to make the playoff?
In a 4 team playoff. Yes. The team that loses has no chance of making the playoff
quote:
Because that's how sports works sometimes. The regular season determines the best teams. The playoffs determine the champion.
Normally I would agree if we were talking NFL (only 32 teams and 12 teams make playoffs) or any other college sport where we have over 120+ teams but have 30+ teams in the playoffs.
But with a 4 team playoff and 120+ teams fighting to get those 4 spots, that way of thinking just isn't true. If a team has faced someone already and beat them and won their conference the other team does not deserve a shot at getting one of the 4 spots in the 4 team playoff.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:12 am to trackfan
quote:
What if you had PAC 12, Big 12 and Big 10 champions who had all steamrolled everyone on their schedule? Why should the SEC loser get a bid over them?
Sorry, I didn't include that in my hypothetical.
All of the other conference champions had one loss.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:13 am to SSpaniel
Winning 2/3 I think would be more meaningful than a team only winning game 2.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 11:17 am to Moustache
I've been meaning to start a tread like this in part to predict what a committee or humans might do.
Here's where they differ:
1998:
BCS:
1. UT
2. FSU
3. KSU
4. OSU
Poll Average:
1. UT
2. FSU
3. OSU
4. KSU
Not much difference
1999:
BCS:
1. FSU
2. VT
3. Nebraska
4. Bama
Polls:
1. FSU
2. VT
3. Nebraska
4. Bama
4. Tennessee (Tie)
Again, not much different
2000:
BCS:
1. OU
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. Washington
Polls:
1. OU
2. FSU
2. Miami (tie)
4. Washington
Great year for Playoff.
VT and Oregon St also had just 1 loss
Here's where they differ:
1998:
BCS:
1. UT
2. FSU
3. KSU
4. OSU
Poll Average:
1. UT
2. FSU
3. OSU
4. KSU
Not much difference
1999:
BCS:
1. FSU
2. VT
3. Nebraska
4. Bama
Polls:
1. FSU
2. VT
3. Nebraska
4. Bama
4. Tennessee (Tie)
Again, not much different
2000:
BCS:
1. OU
2. FSU
3. Miami
4. Washington
Polls:
1. OU
2. FSU
2. Miami (tie)
4. Washington
Great year for Playoff.
VT and Oregon St also had just 1 loss
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