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Do poor people have themselves to blame?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 12:59 pm
Just an interesting question.
Are poor people poor because they are stupid/lazy/addicted to drugs/etc?
Basically is it their fault?
Is the protestant work ethic still true to a large degree?
Do smart people even born of crap parents tend to rise up in their work ranks, whether that work is legal or illegal?
I understand that chance plays a major part in life.
Now we can not talk about individual situations here. But in general, what do people think?
Are poor people poor because of themselves? Or is luck the driving force behind all?
All in all, I was wondering what effect people feel that intelligence, looks, personality, and hard work have to deal with success and how large of an effect the the opposite of those traits has on people?
Its just I see a lot of poor people are poor because they are stupid/lazy/etc on this board. Others say there for the grace of God go I.
What is the reason for it? stupid/lazy/etc or the grace of God?
Are poor people poor because they are stupid/lazy/addicted to drugs/etc?
Basically is it their fault?
Is the protestant work ethic still true to a large degree?
Do smart people even born of crap parents tend to rise up in their work ranks, whether that work is legal or illegal?
I understand that chance plays a major part in life.
Now we can not talk about individual situations here. But in general, what do people think?
Are poor people poor because of themselves? Or is luck the driving force behind all?
All in all, I was wondering what effect people feel that intelligence, looks, personality, and hard work have to deal with success and how large of an effect the the opposite of those traits has on people?
Its just I see a lot of poor people are poor because they are stupid/lazy/etc on this board. Others say there for the grace of God go I.
What is the reason for it? stupid/lazy/etc or the grace of God?
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:02 pm to thetempleowl
What is poor?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:03 pm to TrueTiger
A state of mind
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:12 pm to thetempleowl
You're not being serious, right.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:14 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
Basically is it their fault?
i'll be nice and say at least half = their fault
quote:
Do smart people even born of crap parents tend to rise up in their work ranks, whether that work is legal or illegal?
I understand that chance plays a major part in life.
if we're talking about the division: poor/not poor, then but-for some severe infirmity/disability or some TERRIBLE outlier (and i mean like, hit by a stray bullet from a block over), it's not even about intelligence
i'm about to go have to find the "SFP 6-fold path"
i will guarantee you a poor person failed probably at least half of those points
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
frick it, LET'S DO IT LIVE
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the original 6-fold path (so it's like 7 now)
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the 6-fold path
1. value education, do your work/homework, and graduate from high school
2. avoid criminal behavior and those who are involved in criminal behavior
3. avoid sex until you have a real job after high school
4. get a job in high school. this isn't for money as much as it is to give you experience in work and a history for future employers
5. get a bank account when you get a job, and before you're on your own and keep it as full as you can. do not overdraw the bank account. do not use credit.
6. act like a professional in all non-private settings
if somebody does this, they will find success barring some terrible outlier scenario
the original 6-fold path (so it's like 7 now)
quote:
1. value education and work hard in free, public school
2. avoid drugs (including alcohol and cigs)
3. don't have kids until you can afford them
4. don't engage in criminal activity and avoid associations with those who do
5. present yourself as well as you can (the least likely)
6. get a lower-level job in high school, develop a work history, earn some money to save for post-school life, etc
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Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
anybody who disagrees with my 6/7 fold path pathologically hates poor people
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:17 pm to PillageUrVillage
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A state of mind
That's why I asked.
What if I choose to live in a small house or apartment with few material possessions, no real savings to speak of, ride the bus to work and eat basic staples, but I am very happy and content.
Is that poor?
If so, then yes, it's my fault because I chose it.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:18 pm to thetempleowl
No universal cause of poverty in the US, but IMHO parents would be the primary cause, they create the environment and the genetic material that our cognitively deficient, indolent population has to overcome.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:18 pm to CarrolltonTiger
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but IMHO parents would be the primary cause
agreed
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:26 pm to thetempleowl
If you mean being part of the 47%, it is largely not their fault.
Half of people will be below average.
Half of people will be below average.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:27 pm to Tigah in the ATL
mediocrity is not poverty
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:27 pm to CarrolltonTiger
quote:
parents would be the primary cause, they create the environment and the genetic material that our cognitively deficient, indolent population has to overcome.
I don't disagree that parents are a large portion of anyone's success/failure.
But what degree does that genetic makeup have?
In other words, do poor people have themselves to blame due to their poor choices? Do successful people tend to make smarter choices?
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:29 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
In other words, do poor people have themselves to blame due to their poor choices? Do successful people tend to make smarter choices?
you're making this too 2-sided. life isn't poor people and rich people. there is a huge portion of mediocrity/average
that's the "middle class"
you don't' have to be super intelligent to be in the middle class
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:30 pm to thetempleowl
In America, since The Industrial Revolution, there has been a formula to financial success (At least until SFP and The Millenials took it upon themselves to destroy it-I kid-I kid).
There were three factors and one had to nail all three to maximize one's chance to success. Those factors were EDUCATION, WORK ETHIC and FAMILY STRUCTURE & THE VALUES THEY PROMOTE. Those three were intertwined. If any of those is undermined in a sample population, poverty will ensue.
Except for SFP and the millenials-they are busy proving that one can have a PHD and be perfectly happy as a server at Red Lobster (I kid-I kid).
There were three factors and one had to nail all three to maximize one's chance to success. Those factors were EDUCATION, WORK ETHIC and FAMILY STRUCTURE & THE VALUES THEY PROMOTE. Those three were intertwined. If any of those is undermined in a sample population, poverty will ensue.
Except for SFP and the millenials-they are busy proving that one can have a PHD and be perfectly happy as a server at Red Lobster (I kid-I kid).
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:38 pm to thetempleowl
quote:
Are poor people poor because they are stupid/lazy/addicted to drugs/etc?
Basically is it their fault?
Is the protestant work ethic still true to a large degree?
Yes, the poor usually have themselves to blame.
But blame isn't quite the right question.
Who has to live with the consequences? The poor person in question is the one who has to live with it. maybe they could point to their parents being losers and say that is to blame; but it doesn't matter, they still have to live it.
blame, fault, and responsibility are all nice concepts, but on some level all that matters is who has to live with it. If you don't want to live in poverty, you do what it takes to win.
This post was edited on 1/12/14 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:39 pm to Lsupimp
i know you're joking, but show me where the jobs are for these kids
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Young kids fricked
Old people stacked
Old people stacked
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i know you're joking, but show me where the jobs are for these kids
Where are the jobs supposed to be?
There has never been a society with no unemployment and all people aren't employable.
Blaming society for not creating jobs for the unemployable and economically useless is bizarre.
Posted on 1/12/14 at 1:46 pm to Lsupimp
until we pull the plug on medicare/SS
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