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Obama on school discipline

Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:09 pm
Posted by jwall3
Member since Jun 2008
3029 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:09 pm
As a teacher, I laugh out loud at this article. Curious to know anyone else's thoughts.

LINK
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36603 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

In American schools, black students without disabilities were more than three times as likely as whites to be expelled or suspended, according to government civil rights data collection from 2011-2012. Although black students made up 15 percent of students in the data collection, they made up more than a third of students suspended once, 44 percent of those suspended more than once and more than a third of students expelled.


As if that has anything to with the color of their skin
Posted by northLAgoomba
The Cooper Road, Ratchet City, LA
Member since Nov 2009
3790 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:15 pm to
I would love to see Holder try to teach for a week at an inner city school.
Posted by crazyatthecamp
Member since Nov 2006
2099 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:39 pm to
This has to be a joke, right?

Un-believable article!

This race centric thinking is ridiculous.

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64311 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:41 pm to
Throwing a bone to the black caucus before he leaves office after 8 years
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72058 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:41 pm to
quote:

Holder said the problem often stems from well intentioned “zero-tolerance” policies that too often inject the criminal justice system into the resolution of problems. Zero-tolerance policies, a tool that became popular in the 1990s, often spell out uniform and swift punishment for offenses such as truancy, smoking or carrying a weapon. Violators can lose classroom time or become saddled with a criminal record.
Well, I agree with this portion. Zero-tolerance policies are a joke.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:47 pm to
But no Poptart guns, dammit!!
Posted by CC
Western NY
Member since Feb 2004
14864 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 7:58 pm to
Interesting that Holder is okay with weapons at school if the person carrying it is black.
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 8:05 pm to
I kid you not. I saw that the thread title was "Obama on school discipline" and I KNEW the bastard was going to play the race card somehow.


Obama is like a white-collar version of that character on Cheers named Cliff. He can hold court on any subject, but doesn't really know how to do shite.

Oh, plus Obama is a race-hustling pos.
Posted by bigbowe80
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
3702 posts
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:31 pm to
It's like these people think that the numbers should be perfectly proportional down to the last person on every ratio in America. There's never a chance that it so happens that one race gets in trouble more than another due to a host of social and environmental factors. Oh he'll no!! There's obviously some good ole racism going on up in here. Every.Single.Time.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:39 pm to
quote:

There's never a chance that it so happens that one race gets in trouble more than another due to a host of social and environmental factors.


So long as one of those "social factors" isn't racism, right?

This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:40 pm
Posted by bigbowe80
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
3702 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 5:37 am to
Of course Tuba, of course your right. Behind every statistic dealing with crime, welfare,retirement, job numbers etc. etc in this country there's obviously some old angry racist white person to blame. That's pretty much the only option anymore for any non-perfectly "balanced" ratio in this country unless of course the minority is in the positive side of the stat and then it's celebrated as a great thing with no need to "adjust" the numbers whatsoever.
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 6:26 am to
quote:

So long as one of those "social factors" isn't racism, right?


Why don't Asians and Armenians have the same issues then?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123853 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 6:38 am to
quote:

“A routine school disciplinary infraction should land a student in the principal’s office, not in a police precinct,” Attorney General Eric Holder said.
Agree 100%.

So why doesn't it? Schools were told by lawyers that they could not discipline reasonably without incurring liability. Guess which political party was behind the push.
Posted by tigerfan182
Franklin, Tn
Member since Sep 2009
2779 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:05 am to
If schools have a zero-tolerance policy that clearly spells out the discipline for specific acts and if this policy is consistently carried out, there is no discrimination. Maybe some just break the rules more than others.
Posted by MMauler
Member since Jun 2013
19216 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:13 am to
I wonder what percent of these "racist" disciplinary actions are being handed out by black school principals and administrators?


If I had to take a guess, I'd probably put it at about 90%.

But, I'm sure all those black principals are racist and just don't know it.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 9:21 am
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:16 am to
The reason blacks disproportionately misbehave at home is because most blacks nowadays COME FROM FAMILIES WITH NO FATHER IN THE HOUSEHOLD
Posted by ironsides
Nashville, TN
Member since May 2006
8153 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:23 am to
quote:

The reason blacks disproportionately misbehave at home is because most blacks nowadays COME FROM FAMILIES WITH NO FATHER IN THE HOUSEHOLD


So a mother can't do a good job raising a child? SEXIST!

I kid, I kid, just wanted to be Rex / VB / Tuba for once......
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36128 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:31 am to
quote:

Of course Tuba, of course your right. Behind every statistic dealing with crime, welfare,retirement, job numbers etc. etc in this country there's obviously some old angry racist white person to blame. That's pretty much the only option anymore for any non-perfectly "balanced" ratio in this country unless of course the minority is in the positive side of the stat and then it's celebrated as a great thing with no need to "adjust" the numbers whatsoever.



Quite the opposite in fact. I was just helping you with your statement:
quote:


There's never a chance that it so happens that one race gets in trouble more than another due to a host of social and environmental factors.


You said a "a host of social and environmental factors". I was just making sure to point out for your readers that one of those social factors is not and will never be racism. Especially when the resulting disparity lies on racial lines - that pretty much means you can exclude racism as a factor.

Am I wrong?
Posted by Queen
Member since Nov 2009
3020 posts
Posted on 1/9/14 at 9:40 am to
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This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 2:02 pm
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