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How do you fix BR schools?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:46 pm
I have said before:
Independent panel of experts from across the nation, with EBRPSB acting as advisors-only. Panel paid with state tax dollars.
No lobbyists permitted from NEA, NAACP, or anywhere.
No sacred cows, everything is on the table.
What do you think?
I know it is a nuke option, but EBRP needs to start over.
Independent panel of experts from across the nation, with EBRPSB acting as advisors-only. Panel paid with state tax dollars.
No lobbyists permitted from NEA, NAACP, or anywhere.
No sacred cows, everything is on the table.
What do you think?
I know it is a nuke option, but EBRP needs to start over.
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:53 pm to Roaad
get better parents
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:53 pm to Roaad
When parents don't give a shite, their kids won't give a shite. When a school get too many of those kids, nobody learns. While I don't know how to fix it, blaming the schools/teachers is concealing the source of the problem.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:54 pm to eelsuee
quote:The current busing system facilitates more parent apathy.
When parents don't give a shite, their kids won't give a shite. When a school get too many of those kids, nobody learns. While I don't know how to fix it, blaming the schools/teachers is concealing the source of the problem.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:54 pm to Roaad
quote:
I know it is a nuke option, but EBRP needs to start over.
You pretty much WOULD have to nuke it.
A start would be to fire everyone working for the school system and have them re-interview for their jobs, starting from the top down.
If you fix a lot of the issues with regards to shitty administrators / principals / assistant principals, you fix a lot of the issues with regards to teachers being unwilling to stay at a school.
The idea with such a clean sweep is that it would remove a bunch of the heavily entrenched politics within the system that keeps it dysfunctional.
Example - Removing the lady in charge of hiring, firing, and assigning teachers would mean that her personal little cadre of arse-kissers would either leave the system or be assigned to different schools from the plum assignments they get now.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:59 pm to Roaad
Here's how you fix EBR Parish schools.
1) Buy a fleet of buses and send students all over the parish to try and have a racial "balance" at each school.
2) Hire teachers who may or may not be good teachers and let them teach. Do not hold them accountable, and let them have tenure so as not to worry them.
3) Let the administrators get top heavy and make sure you hire everybody you can and put them in the main office.
4) Let the teachers unions control policy.
5) Pass taxes to build new schools and to remodel the old ones, to give teachers a raise, and to add school discipline.
Oh wait......... didn't we do all that already?
1) Buy a fleet of buses and send students all over the parish to try and have a racial "balance" at each school.
2) Hire teachers who may or may not be good teachers and let them teach. Do not hold them accountable, and let them have tenure so as not to worry them.
3) Let the administrators get top heavy and make sure you hire everybody you can and put them in the main office.
4) Let the teachers unions control policy.
5) Pass taxes to build new schools and to remodel the old ones, to give teachers a raise, and to add school discipline.
Oh wait......... didn't we do all that already?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:03 pm to Asgard Device
How about trying neighborhood schools?
How about trying to hire the best teacher's available, how about holding them accountable, and how about making their jobs easier by having good principals to back them up?
How about removing discipline problems from the general student population and sending them to an alternative school.
How about hiring principals, and holding them accountable for their schools. Give them a big salary, ability to hire and fire, and if they don't can 'em and get someone else. Pay them 200K a year, I don't care. Let them keep their jobs if they turn a school around. Bonus them if you have to.
How about trying to hire the best teacher's available, how about holding them accountable, and how about making their jobs easier by having good principals to back them up?
How about removing discipline problems from the general student population and sending them to an alternative school.
How about hiring principals, and holding them accountable for their schools. Give them a big salary, ability to hire and fire, and if they don't can 'em and get someone else. Pay them 200K a year, I don't care. Let them keep their jobs if they turn a school around. Bonus them if you have to.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:03 pm to Roaad
Give me the average IQ score of students in EBR and I'll answer your question.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:04 pm to Roaad
Before you discuss solutions-I think an honest assessment of what the problems are makes sense.
As expressed elsewhere in this thread, at least part (if not most) of the problem is the number of kids from families either don't care about education or don't know how to promote it in their household. It crosses demographic boundaries, but this group is mostly low-income, minority and from single parent households.
So what is it that the school SYSTEM is doing wrong? Or put another way, what can they do better given the students they must teach?
I think the magnet system has, for the most part, been exemplary. I think they need to build on that success (which crosses demographics). Stronger recruitment and more magnet schools will bring in more middle class families and improve the scores of the district which will attract even more families.
I am hoping between charter schools and vouchers some of the students in non-magnet schools will get a path forward. Maybe that will reduce class sizes at the schools in the system which could make things a little better, but not holding my breath.
So my plan- strong magnets, better recruitment (particularly of middle class families) and work with charters and voucher schools instead of seeing them as the enemy.
As expressed elsewhere in this thread, at least part (if not most) of the problem is the number of kids from families either don't care about education or don't know how to promote it in their household. It crosses demographic boundaries, but this group is mostly low-income, minority and from single parent households.
So what is it that the school SYSTEM is doing wrong? Or put another way, what can they do better given the students they must teach?
I think the magnet system has, for the most part, been exemplary. I think they need to build on that success (which crosses demographics). Stronger recruitment and more magnet schools will bring in more middle class families and improve the scores of the district which will attract even more families.
I am hoping between charter schools and vouchers some of the students in non-magnet schools will get a path forward. Maybe that will reduce class sizes at the schools in the system which could make things a little better, but not holding my breath.
So my plan- strong magnets, better recruitment (particularly of middle class families) and work with charters and voucher schools instead of seeing them as the enemy.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:05 pm to doubleb
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How about removing discipline problems from the general student population and sending them to an alternative school.
How much of the problem on this one is EBRPSB policy and how much is federal / DOE policy?
I seem to recall hearing that any child determined to have certain types of disorders is not allowed to be ejected from class, but I'm not sure at which level this diktat comes from.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:09 pm to doubleb
quote:
Posted by doubleb Here's how you fix EBR Parish schools. 1) Buy a fleet of buses and send students all over the parish to try and have a racial "balance" at each school. 2) Hire teachers who may or may not be good teachers and let them teach. Do not hold them accountable, and let them have tenure so as not to worry them. 3) Let the administrators get top heavy and make sure you hire everybody you can and put them in the main office. 4) Let the teachers unions control policy. 5) Pass taxes to build new schools and to remodel the old ones, to give teachers a raise, and to add school discipline. Oh wait......... didn't we do all that already?
You've just described central community schools.
They have teachers with tenure. Their school district is as big as the city of Baton Rouge and some are bussed all the way across because it's the only school in their grade.
The only thing that's different between EBR schools and central schools is that Central has demographics that produce better, more disciplined students.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:10 pm to teke184
quote:
I seem to recall hearing that any child determined to have certain types of disorders is not allowed to be ejected from class, but I'm not sure at which level this diktat comes from.
The child needs to be removed so as not to disturb the class. If the child needs special help the state should pay for it.
My brother was a special needs child and the state had no facilities to take care of him. They paid for his schooling in Illinois.
The state has given each child the right to be educated, but not at the expense of the rest of the class.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:24 pm to Roaad
If the problem of "diversity" could be fixed, don't you think it would have been accomplished somewhere over the past 1/2 century with the billions of dollars spent on addressing the problem?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:35 pm to Roaad
Napalm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:40 pm to Asgard Device
quote:
You've just described central community schools. They have teachers with tenure. Their school district is as big as the city of Baton Rouge and some are bussed all the way across because it's the only school in their grade. The only thing that's different between EBR schools and central schools is that Central has demographics that produce better, more disciplined students.
I bet I did.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:42 pm to Roaad
quote:
How do you fix BR schools?
You don't - you just incorporate and form your own district.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:43 pm to Roaad
quote:
No lobbyists permitted from NEA, NAACP, or anywhere.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:57 pm to eelsuee
quote:
When parents don't give a shite, their kids won't give a shite
My girlfriend is a first year EBR teacher.
This is the problem.
Period.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:00 pm to Roaad
They have to start over completely.
That's urban public schools in general....not just that one system.
That's urban public schools in general....not just that one system.
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