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The validity of paid Recruting services...

Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:39 am
Posted by teeMike
In my mind, I'm already there.
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:39 am
As a fan who does not subscribe to a paid service, what transpired on Thursday really made me question the true validity of these paid sites. I realize that recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and the allure of forecasting what players are in play to build a class is enticing & entertaining. However, in my view, Thursday showed me how very little insiders really know and can effectively predict who's going to commit where. Although the services provide very useful information on the recruits with videos, etc., they should stay out of the prognostication business simply because it's not based on fact & creates unrealistic expectations for their subscribers.
Posted by SwaggerCopter
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:43 am to
#2for5
Posted by Fishhead
Elmendorf, TX
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:44 am to
As far as recruiting, I can't argue with you on the prediction thing. However, you would never hear of some recruits if it weren't for the paid sites, or you would hear of them way after the fact.

I subscribe to two, BBI and S&S. What I like about BBI is not so much the recruiting news, but the inside the program stuff you get. There really is no recruiting insider there, although there's supposed to be one, and it isn't Derek Ponamsky. Derek's inside info comes from the staff, and he's spot on about the actual TEAM. For instance, Mills to safety was reported there WEEKS ago. The depth chart is released, and he's at CB. But sure enough, Mills played safety.

That's what I like about BBI. But recruiting? Yeah, they should all just stop trying to predict.

Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:45 am to
I don't understand why someone would pay money to know something earlier when it is a givethat the info will come out at least half a year before it is relevant anyway.
Posted by sammyptiger
Member since Nov 2012
1037 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:46 am to
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teeMike
recruiting services generally get their info from sources close to the recruits and sources close to the college staffs. If the staffs info isn't good because they have been misled, then the predictions will be flawed. On Thursday, their appears to have been some purposeful deception committed by certain kids.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43119 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:48 am to
I think they know some stuff for sure, but they definitely tell fan bases what they want to hear to sell subscriptions. Its an easy bluff really, predict a kid to LSU or wherever then if it doesnt happen, say things are fluid and something changed at the last minute. They can blame family members, bad visits, disrespectful fan base, etc.. easy out.
Posted by sammyptiger
Member since Nov 2012
1037 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:52 am to
Who is really good at predicting anything? Look at your weatherman. How often are they wrong? I think people just get upset when things don't go the way they want. But when recruits tell people they are committing and then don't, there not much you can do.
Posted by G8TRGRT
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
774 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:54 am to
There is no such thing as insider info unless it's coming from the player or his mom or dad.....period! No coach or reporter has that privilege!!!
Posted by BasilBogomil
Member since Dec 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 9:58 am to
Tigerbait blows.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:04 am to
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The validity of paid Recruting services...
I think they know some stuff for sure, but they definitely tell fan bases what they want to hear


like a strip club, you pay to get teased but the blowjob just isn't there.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:06 am to
quote:

Who is really good at predicting anything? Look at your weatherman. How often are they wrong? I think people just get upset when things don't go the way they want. But when recruits tell people they are committing and then don't, there not much you can do.


That may be true, but then what are we paying for? No one wants to pay for incorrect information. The weatherman is wrong a ton but I'm not subscribing for his service. Subscribers have every right to be upset when the information provided is this inaccurate. They have a right to demand some standard of product quality.

They should allow fans to predict where recruits will sign, and if fans are more accurate than them, they get free subscription service. They'd never do that because too many fans would kick their arses.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 10:15 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136811 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:11 am to
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The validity of paid Recruting (sic) services..
very low

might as well tell you my high school board concept for when i win the powerball

my site will not be a recruiting site. it will be more of a talent evaluation site. schools or parents or other groups will hire my firm to provide professional cameras at a game. some of these videos provided for evaluation are garbage. lets get some real video where true in-game evaluation can be provided

then i will bring on REAL talent evaluators. former coaches. guys that know what they are looking for as it pertains to technique

from that point, the production is akin to the NFL Matchup show on television. I don't care where a kid goes to school or what he is offered. You show video of his positives and negatives, perhaps get a sit down interview with the kid, and then allow the subscriber to draw their own conclusions
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73493 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:14 am to
It is clear to me that it is all about entertainment. The crystal ball deal looked great for a while this season until it flopped. When you add in the obvious Bama bias in terms of evaluating and rating recruits, recruiting services suck at providing any useful information. I can find as much as I need to know here (who LSU is after, visits, announcement dates, actual commitments, etc). The rest is nothing but drama to make people feel like they know where recruits are going to commit before everyone else and to stroke the Bama egos. It all sells subscriptions, so I don't fault these services for doing it. Just don't expect to get accurate information.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68322 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:15 am to
Sonny and Shea are very solid guys who never mislead intentionally. They have legitimate sources who unfortunately last Thursday were lied to by a few recruits...hence why they were projecting 4 for 5 or even 5 for 5 but we ended up with 2.

You get to read a lot of inside info you would typically not get on here or other free sites, plus, you tend to not have to sift through the 90% of bullshite we have on here from this rumor or that rumor. Sonny and Shea will flat out tell you if a rumor is a rumor and whether or not they believe it.
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37584 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:18 am to
They may or may not have solid info, but they are right more often than wrong, regarding LSU. Their "guys" got word that we were going to do well on Thursday, and we didn't. Their guys were told by their guys, who were reportedly lied to by the recruits.

It happens.
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34847 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:19 am to
It's hard to be accurate when the kids lie to everyone
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
37584 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:19 am to
quote:

You get to read a lot of inside info you would typically not get on here or other free sites, plus, you tend to not have to sift through the 90% of bullshite we have on here from this rumor or that rumor. Sonny and Shea will flat out tell you if a rumor is a rumor and whether or not they believe it.



Yep

I was a little frustrated Thursday, and thinking about canceling my sub, not out of anger of Sonny/Shea, but because of the nature of recruiting now.

I realized that the money is worth it for the excellent articles and the recruiting coverage, in which I don't have to go through the bullshite on here.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136811 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:21 am to
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It's hard to be accurate when the kids lie to everyone
do you really blame them? they want their time to shine, and everyone is trying to steal their deserved spotlight for monetary gain
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73493 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:23 am to
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It's hard to be accurate when the kids lie to everyone


Exactly, and this is the current state of recruiting. High profile recruits want to play the game like all of the others before them. In order to do so, they have to keep people guessing. It's silly to think that these kids are going to be more honest with an "insider" when they know it is going to be sold as premium info.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68322 posts
Posted on 1/5/14 at 10:28 am to
quote:

ep

I was a little frustrated Thursday, and thinking about canceling my sub, not out of anger of Sonny/Shea, but because of the nature of recruiting now.

I realized that the money is worth it for the excellent articles and the recruiting coverage, in which I don't have to go through the bullshite on here.




No doubt they were shaking in their boots with some angry customers on Thursday. If the recruiting game continues to trend this direction it's going to be tough for them to keep jobs. People arent going to pay for flat out guessing.
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