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Honest recruiting question if a coach is considering leaving a program
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:55 am
In a situation where you have a coach who is considering and/or going to another school but hasn't announced that....and doesn't want to make any public comments, what does that coach tell a recruit and their family. Does he say he's not going anywhere, if he is going does he tell them he's leaving but make them promoise to keep this a secret (I think not), does he say he is undecided (I think not)?
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:57 am to NorthTiger
I would assume he lies and says he's 100% committed to his current program
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:59 am to Downtown Devin Brown
i honestly think Saban stays. It's all about getting more money on his Alabama contract. He is just using the Texas thing as a bargaining chip.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:00 am to Downtown Devin Brown
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I would assume he lies and says he's 100% committed to his current program
Unless he is taking a job at another big program. Then, he says he's 100% committed to the recruit.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:02 am to southbend
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He is just using the Texas thing as a bargaining chip.
At the end of the day, Texas can offer him much more money, so it makes no sense to simply use them as a bargaining chip.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 10:02 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:11 am to LSU Patrick
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Unless he is taking a job at another big program. Then, he says he's 100% committed to the recruit.
Was thinking the same. "I'm going to Texas, but I want you with me while I'm there."
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:22 am to LSU Patrick
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Texas can offer him much more money, so it makes no sense to simply use them as a bargaining chip.
It does. Just because they CAN offer him more money doesn't mean they are willing
If they deem top dollar to be $7M, and bama can match that, then bama will
Because they can throw $10M at him doesn't mean they would pay that much for a college coach
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:41 am to KBeezy
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It does. Just because they CAN offer him more money doesn't mean they are willing
Trust me. They are willing. Texas' football program is in the shitter for possibly the first time in history. It has one of the biggest markets of any football program in the country and a ton of wealthy fans, alumni, and investors. It is oil country for goodness sakes. Saban has nothing to lose by going to Texas, and Alabama could never offer what Texas can. The ONLY reasons for Saban to stay in Alabama would be loyalty and family, two things that Nick Saban has never shown to take priority in his decision making process. Unless this has drastically changed over the past year or so, he will be coaching the longhorns next season.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:49 am to LSU Patrick
They even have their own network, and if the other Big XII teams ask nicely they can get on it. Just think of the grey areas for recruiting un-used by Mack he can exploit.
Plus, rumor is he get's a 1% stake. Now if that it only during his tenure, that's one thing. But if that's full outright ownership, that lasts even after retirement, that's another. Now you're talking ownership-investment rather than pay. That's hard to pass up. Of course Slive might offer him a stake in the SEC Network to keep him at Alabama (joke).
Plus, rumor is he get's a 1% stake. Now if that it only during his tenure, that's one thing. But if that's full outright ownership, that lasts even after retirement, that's another. Now you're talking ownership-investment rather than pay. That's hard to pass up. Of course Slive might offer him a stake in the SEC Network to keep him at Alabama (joke).
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:54 am to I20goon
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They even have their own network
...and we have seen how much Nick likes to be on TV with a microphone in his hand. Over the past few years, he has been on the ESPN set as much as Herbie and Corso.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:25 pm to LSU Patrick
I would attempt to sell myself and what I'm looking for in a player more than selling the school..that way when I make my decision the player is sold on my intentions and not the school's..its a win win..and most of the committed bama recruits talk about playin for Saban, not livin in tuscaloosa..
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:30 pm to LSU Patrick
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He is just using the Texas thing as a bargaining chip.
At the end of the day, Texas can offer him much more money, so it makes no sense to simply use them as a bargaining chip
yes it does if you really want to stay in BAMA!! Use the texas offer to raise your pay in Bama. Nick has it made in bama; he aint leaving. the bargaining chip is stictly to raise the bama offer and stay put where he has built his legacy
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:32 pm to LSU Patrick
Nick Saban would never lie to a recruit, his parents or anyone else for that matter.
Terry is at the store ....er...... Baton Rouge.
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But without Twitter and the 24 hour news cycle, Michigan State officials led by trustee Joel Ferguson, according to the Wall Street Journal, were surprised to find Nick Saban at home without his wife. Saban, according to that report, denied that he had taken the job and said only that LSU had reached out to him. “Joel said, ‘Nick where’s Terry?’” said Clarence Underwood, the former MSU athletic director, according to the WSJ. “He said she was at the store. But then he asked again: “Nick, is Terry in Baton Rouge?’ And he said, ‘Yes, she’s there now.’”
Terry is at the store ....er...... Baton Rouge.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:48 pm to southbend
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yes it does if you really want to stay in BAMA!! Use the texas offer to raise your pay in Bama. Nick has it made in bama; he aint leaving. the bargaining chip is stictly to raise the bama offer and stay put where he has built his legacy
Nick built part of his legacy in Baton Rouge. Why did he leave?
If Nick wants more money, then why play to game to squeeze a little more chump change out of the program he is supposedly so loyal to instead of taking the massive offer Texas will bring to the table to get a coach who will make an immediate impact in both recruiting and wins? Again, that makes no sense. Either the money is important or it isn't. Either he is truly loyal to Bama or he isn't? Now, based on Nick's history, which do you think is the case?
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:53 pm to NorthTiger
When he was at LSU Saban's usual response to recruits worried about rumors of him going elsewhere was "If you want to go to a great program with great coach there will be rumors about him being courted by other programs. Would you rather go to a program with a coach no one wants?"
All of which is true but a great deflection from the point that he did have a potential interest in heading to the NFL or the next great opportunity because he is a grass is greener kinda guy at some level.
All of which is true but a great deflection from the point that he did have a potential interest in heading to the NFL or the next great opportunity because he is a grass is greener kinda guy at some level.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 2:58 pm to NorthTiger
If he says anything while recruiting that is detrimental to his current employer, he'd be in some deep crap. That is exactly why, whether Saban is leaving for UT or not, he'll continue to recruit stating that he's all in at Bama. To say otherwise, would hurt his current employer and open him up to litigation, especially when using Bama resources.
There are two lines of thought as to why Saban is doing what he's doing.
1) He can't sign a contract for a position that isn't open, thus nothing is set in stone. If things all through, he'd be in deep crap if he didn't keep working full steam for Bama. You work for your current job as hard as you can until you actually leave.
2) He legitimately is staying at Bama, and his refusal to state that publicly and sign his Bama extension is about leverage against Bama to get more money. Plain and simple.
In the end, Saban can't just state to people he's leaving until it is official and that is why nothing he says now short of signing an extension that forbids him from going to UT means anything.
There are two lines of thought as to why Saban is doing what he's doing.
1) He can't sign a contract for a position that isn't open, thus nothing is set in stone. If things all through, he'd be in deep crap if he didn't keep working full steam for Bama. You work for your current job as hard as you can until you actually leave.
2) He legitimately is staying at Bama, and his refusal to state that publicly and sign his Bama extension is about leverage against Bama to get more money. Plain and simple.
In the end, Saban can't just state to people he's leaving until it is official and that is why nothing he says now short of signing an extension that forbids him from going to UT means anything.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:00 pm to southbend
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yes it does if you really want to stay in BAMA!! Use the texas offer to raise your pay in Bama. Nick has it made in bama; he aint leaving. the bargaining chip is stictly to raise the bama offer and stay put where he has built his legacy
No one knows if he's really going to Texas. I think he isn't entirely sure himself.
FWIW I remember making these types of arguments with respect to Nick at LSU years ago. He was pulling in consecutive #1 recruiting classes at the end at LSU and had won the SEC twice in his last four years there. And it was true to some extent. He could have stayed at LSU and become the best coach in the history of the program. He likely would have won a somewhere between 1 and 3 more championships here by now.
But he's not completely that guy I don't think. He seems restless because he wants to do something different. At first that was the NFL, then it was winning again at Alabama when he didn't like being a head coach in teh NFL. Now I think the thing driving him might be the idea that he could be the first coach ever to win national championships at three major programs. That would be a special distinction. Boatloads of extra money are nice, an easier road to winning those national championships is nice, bottom line he's got some incentives to leave but there's no easy way to know if he will.
If I were a Bama fan I would hope he would stay to extend his legacy at Alabama but I would still appreciated what he did for the program if he left. That's how I ultimately feel about him as a LSU fan, Nick left LSU on better footing than he found it.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:05 pm to Geauxgurt
Saban doesn't have to come and and say follow me to Texas and don't commit to Bama in order to lead a recruit in that direction. He can simply talk them about what it would be like to play for him and how has been successful at 3 major programs during his career.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:15 pm to molsusports
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Boatloads of extra money are nice, an easier road to winning those national championships is nice, bottom line he's got some incentives to leave but there's no easy way to know if he will.
It gets much more difficult when you try to predict someone's motives. Instead, the most accurate way to predict future behavior is with past behavior. His personal thoughts and reasons aside (because nobody knows these regardless of what they claim), how has Nick responded to better offers in the past?
Without looking into his entire career, here are the facts.
Success at MSU. Offerred LSU job for more money and opportunity. Took it.
Success at LSU. Offerred NFL job for more money with the freaking Dolphins, where he was given a lot of control for a first year coach. Took it.
Lack of success in the NFL. Offered highest salary of any NCAA coach at the most storied football program in the best conference. Took it.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/12/13 at 3:23 pm to LSU Patrick
What he would say to the best ones is
"come to Texas, it's a better college than bama in every aspect. Plus Austin is Mecca to the young crowd".
"come to Texas, it's a better college than bama in every aspect. Plus Austin is Mecca to the young crowd".
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