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Boxing Fans - Is this legit?
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:06 am
Ali dodging 21 punches in 10 seconds...
I mean, I know it actually happened, but this had to be staged right since it was an "exhibition" match?
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This was taken from an exhibition match Ali fought against Michael Dokes in 1977. Dokes isn't exactly George Foreman, but this is still damn impressive. Ali was 35 years old when this happened! Dokes was 19! This is why Ali is the GOAT.
I mean, I know it actually happened, but this had to be staged right since it was an "exhibition" match?
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 9:07 am
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Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:09 am to OnTheBrink
Doesn't look staged
But do not make the mistake of thinking Ali knew exactly where to move on each of those punches either.
He was using incredible head movement to be sure, but he is also lucky he didn't run flat into something with his hands on the ropes like that too. He did catch an uppercut but while he was moving away so it wasn't much of anything
Ps, the fact that it is an exhibition night account for the guy not trying to crush Ali's liver in that clip. He might have been playing along for the showmanship, but it certainly looks like he was trying to hit him hard. I would imagine in a real bout there, the guy would go hard to the body midway through that after missing a few just to shake up the movement
But do not make the mistake of thinking Ali knew exactly where to move on each of those punches either.
He was using incredible head movement to be sure, but he is also lucky he didn't run flat into something with his hands on the ropes like that too. He did catch an uppercut but while he was moving away so it wasn't much of anything
Ps, the fact that it is an exhibition night account for the guy not trying to crush Ali's liver in that clip. He might have been playing along for the showmanship, but it certainly looks like he was trying to hit him hard. I would imagine in a real bout there, the guy would go hard to the body midway through that after missing a few just to shake up the movement
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 9:12 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:12 am to OnTheBrink
Ali went with the classic dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:12 am to OnTheBrink
Looks staged to me. Dokes isn't extending on most of those punches.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:15 am to PrimeTime Money
.....if you can dodge a wrench.....you can dodge a ball.....
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:16 am to OnTheBrink
I love watching Doakes' hands... you see his punches flying everywhere with good speed and technique... but he keeps coming up with air.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:17 am to KBeezy
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He might have been playing along for the showmanship, but it certainly looks like he was trying to hit him hard.
In some, yes. But in roughly punches 4-10, he doesn't extend fully.
I asked if it was legit too, in the sense that was Ali that good/cocky during regular matches? Not old enough to watch him live.
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 9:23 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:49 am to OnTheBrink
He doesn't extend because he is crowding himself when he stepped too deep on his first few punches
Doesn't mean he isn't swinging hard. Fighters rarely extend on the inside because there is no room and no need to do so.
Doesn't mean he isn't swinging hard. Fighters rarely extend on the inside because there is no room and no need to do so.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:51 am to KBeezy
Yeah, that's where my ignorance in boxing comes in. The gif is really damn impressive, but I find it hard to believe he did that with his hands on the ropes, know what I mean?
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:54 am to OnTheBrink
Go watch a bit of Emmanuel Augustus
He does ridiculous stuff like that constantly. He was once DQd for showboating too much in a televised championship bout
In the fight, he spent one round staring at Courtney Burtons wife the entire round while slipping Burton's punches and countering him. He really made him look foolish in that round all the while his eyes and head never left Burton's wife who was seated in the front row
He does ridiculous stuff like that constantly. He was once DQd for showboating too much in a televised championship bout
In the fight, he spent one round staring at Courtney Burtons wife the entire round while slipping Burton's punches and countering him. He really made him look foolish in that round all the while his eyes and head never left Burton's wife who was seated in the front row
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:55 am to OnTheBrink
Eh.
I think it's some showmanship by both of them, because he would have gone hard midsection on him if it was legit.
I think it's some showmanship by both of them, because he would have gone hard midsection on him if it was legit.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 9:59 am to OnTheBrink
Joe Frazier actually did this same thing to ALI in the first fight. Except he wasn't pinned in the corner. But both hands down, head out, and constant movement while taunting made ALI missed in combinations of 4 and 5 punches at a time then would drop that left hook on him hard
This post was edited on 12/12/13 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:08 am to OnTheBrink
The strangest thing is nobody in the crowd is cheering or standing up. If I was sitting ringside and saw that happening I would be going nuts, as would most normal humans.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:31 am to OnTheBrink
That lil shimmy at ?the end gets me every time. 
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:34 am to OnTheBrink
The first half of that clip is real, but the second part is just a close up rerun of the first part.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:36 am to C
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Looks staged to me. Dokes isn't extending on most of those punches
I think the likelihood that is staged and he didn't connect once would be more improbable that it wasn't staged and Ali wasn't just a boss.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:37 am to Kevin TheRant
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The first half of that clip is real, but the second part is just a close up rerun of the first part.
false
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:40 am to rondo
Smoke him in the ribs
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:44 am to Kevin TheRant
quote:No it isn't. You can see during the "first part", Dokes is punching straight with his right hand.
The first half of that clip is real, but the second part is just a close up rerun of the first part.
During the "close-up second part", he is punching downwards with his right hand.
Just from that, you can easily see it isn't the same.
Posted on 12/12/13 at 11:45 am to PrimeTime Money
Allegedly, Wally Pep won a round on all 3 scorecards without landing a single punch.
It isn't far-fetched, by comparison, to simply dodge a lot of punches.
It isn't far-fetched, by comparison, to simply dodge a lot of punches.
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