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Its nice to see more African Americans playing Youth Soccer
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:26 pm
Im a ref at the Y< and Im seeing way more black guys then I ever did before. Usually it was just white kids, Hispanics, and a few Asians. Hopefully, the soccer stage in the US will change and better athletes will be coming in to soccer.
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Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:28 pm to Jazzbass13
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:33 pm to Jazzbass13
I don't think it's solely about athletes, it's mostly coaching.
Just look at the Spanish National Team, they really don't have a ton of "athletes"
Just look at the Spanish National Team, they really don't have a ton of "athletes"
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:35 pm to Bottom9
List of African Teams that have won the world cup in the last 30 years:
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:38 pm to Shane4689
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List of African Teams that have won the world cup in the last 30 years:
their problem has been coaching
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Black people can't even let us have soccer? smdh
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:42 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:No, no it hasn´t. Their problem has been their federations and goverments, along with installations (or lack of), and development program (rudimentary).
their problem has been coaching
Posted on 12/6/13 at 2:44 pm to Dandy Lion
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No, no it hasn´t
yea using some scrub african coach with no legit experience always help, ever since they started getting european coaches they have gotten better
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Corruption is a massive issue in Africa. Also, there is really no well organized youth setup.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:10 pm to cwil177
They've also got a massive shortage of decent goalkeepers. Enyeama's probably the continent's first world class keeper.
Posted on 12/6/13 at 3:16 pm to TN Bhoy
Espanyol had a great keeper, Kameni. Possibly the best I´ve seen.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 4:46 pm to Bottom9
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Just look at the Spanish National Team, they really don't have a ton of "athletes"
This is a tired argument. Spain does have great athletes, just a different type of athlete. Foot speed, quickness, and change of pace are all athletic movements. Also, Spain hasn't always been what they are today. Just an incredible generation of players and winners that has come through. And Messi helps too (in terms of Spain's club level success).
Posted on 12/7/13 at 5:16 pm to mynamebowl
quote:They´re also taught to move in very, very tight space, and make decisions with mental quickness.
Foot speed, quickness, and change of pace are all athletic movements.
This cannot be highlighted enough.
Of course, there are exceptions.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 9:18 pm to Dandy Lion
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They´re also taught to move in very, very tight space, and make decisions with mental quickness.
Right, but still, the majority of their international success has come with this generation only. If you consider success being actually winning trophies. Of course, they have consistently put out great players.
What I've been trying to say when this topic comes up, basically, is the Spanish style is not the only way to do it. Other clubs and countries that have had bigger, stronger, better athletes than their opponents, can win, and have won more often historically. Really, this generation of Spain and Messi are the outlier. In terms of teams winning with tiny, intricately passing players/teams. It also helps that the entire Spanish team, or at least the players who were on the field the most, came from 2 out of the 3 or 4 best club teams of this generation. Familiarity with your teammates being incredibly beneficial, that is.
All of this kinda goes back to the myth that clubs/countries comprised of the biggest, fastest, strongest, most athletic dudes a nation (or checkbook) can offer, don't win as often in soccer, and how it relates to America's success/lack of success/future success internationally. Look at this Bayern team for example, very good athletes across the board. This seasons Real Madrid team is another example. They are crazy athletic. Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Isco, Benzema, so much talent. I hadn't seen much of Isco until recently, but man, he is nasty.
Kinda rambling here, sorry.
This post was edited on 12/7/13 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/7/13 at 9:33 pm to mynamebowl
quote:But Spanish football was not based upon this premise previously, in spite of having isolated great footballers.
Right, but still, the majority of their international success has come with this generation only. If you consider success being actually winning trophies. Of course, they have consistently put out great players.
The ball has always been treated with reverence in Spain, but pure athleticism and size, were of a much higher qualification. There have been myriad maestros lost in the previous configuration, myriad. In fact, that was the problem with Spain, as some were irrefutable for some reason, and others not. Always, on subjective criteria. Luís Aragonés did a lot of good for the country´s footballing scene. Albeit, he did it based upon what he had in his hands (not designating from base what need be done).
In the North, I can say, people are still looking for size and strength, but technical ability is more important than ever. On the Mediterranean side and the South, it´s really a great concern with technical capacity.
In short, and simplifying tremendously:
North. Big, fast, can he play? Find the most technically proficient.
Mediterranean and South. Technical, OK. Let´s see who´s the fastest and the biggest.
Very generalist, as the technical capacity required is probably of a higher level than in other countries (not that Spain is better than others, but Spain looks for technical proficiency as a base, as opposed to athletic capacity in general).
This post was edited on 12/7/13 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 12/7/13 at 9:46 pm to Dandy Lion
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But Spanish football was not based upon this premise previously, in spite of having isolated great footballers.
The ball has always been treated with reverence in Spain, but pure athleticism and size, were of a much higher qualification. There have been myriad maestros lost in the previous configuration, myriad.
Even though what you say is right, it's not the only right. This group and this style, using this type of athlete, work(ed), but probably less often, historically speaking, than other styles of soccer that require a bigger more dynamic style of athlete. Just because the incredible success of Spain/Barca is the most recent and most glaring, doesn't mean it will last forever or even much longer at all. Barca didn't look close to being capable of beating that Bayern team. And you have to think 4 major international tournaments in row will be too much to ask for this group.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 9:49 pm to mynamebowl
I don´t think you can glean from what I say that that is the only right. I´m simply describing the evolution of Spanish football.
Our best, IMHO, still come from the North, and many have to go abroad, to prove so.
Spain is a country of waves, tendencies, fashions.
Our best, IMHO, still come from the North, and many have to go abroad, to prove so.
Spain is a country of waves, tendencies, fashions.
This post was edited on 12/7/13 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 12/7/13 at 9:59 pm to Dandy Lion
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Spain is a country of waves, tendencies, fashions.
... along with every other country I think.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 10:10 pm to mynamebowl
You do know that Germany scrapped their system, and remade it, based upon the Spanish rise? They went technical, upon seeing Spain´s U surge, two years before Spain beat them in the Euro 2008.
The amount of time Löw spent in Spain in 2007, 2008 was very important, and he was continuously in Spain, or had people in Spain during 2009-10.
The amount of time Löw spent in Spain in 2007, 2008 was very important, and he was continuously in Spain, or had people in Spain during 2009-10.
This post was edited on 12/7/13 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 12/7/13 at 10:12 pm to Dandy Lion
I didn't mean for it to come off that way. I wasn't really arguing against Spain's philosophy on the way to play. It's worked quite well, obviously. But part of that philosophy when it was created, I would think, was based on the basic physiology of the majority of Spanish people. Smaller, quicker players. I guess we have yet to see if it was the style that won all those tournaments or just a great group of players.
I just can't stand the people who think we should be seeking out every 5'6 Mexican boy looking for the next Messi. Compared to most of the world, we are a big society with A LOT of athletic people. That is a good thing when playing sports, not a hindrance.
The game is growing here and hopefully one day we will have the right people in place, on a large scale, to teach the game the right way and start to attract more of the best athletes America is producing.
I just can't stand the people who think we should be seeking out every 5'6 Mexican boy looking for the next Messi. Compared to most of the world, we are a big society with A LOT of athletic people. That is a good thing when playing sports, not a hindrance.
The game is growing here and hopefully one day we will have the right people in place, on a large scale, to teach the game the right way and start to attract more of the best athletes America is producing.
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