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Belichick: Every single play should be able to be challenged
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:22 pm
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“When you have two challenges, I don’t see anything wrong with the concept of ‘you can challenge any two plays that you want,’” Belichick said, via Mike Reiss of ESPN. “I understand that judgment calls are judgment calls, but to say that an important play can’t be reviewed, I don’t think that’s really in the spirit of trying to get everything right and making sure the most important plays are officiated properly.
“If you get a situation where they call a guy for being offside, and you don’t think he was offside and you’re willing to use one of your challenges on that to let them go back and take a look at it — I understand if the evidence isn’t conclusive that the call stands. If it is [conclusive] than they’d overturn it.
“If it’s offensive holding, if you think one of the offensive linemen tackles your guy as he’s rushing the quarterback, and the ball hasn’t been thrown, they go back and look at it and if it’s that egregious of a violation they would make a call. If it wasn’t, they wouldn’t. We have to live with that anyway but now it’s only on certain plays and certain situations.
“It’s kind of confusing for me as to which plays are, and which plays aren’t challengeable. I’m sure it’s confusing to the fans to know what they all are. There are multiple pages explaining what you can and can’t challenge. Then you have the officials come over to you in a controversial type of play and say, ‘Well, you can challenge this, or you can’t challenge it’ which is helpful. But I’m just saying the whole idea of simplifying the game and trying to get the important plays right, I wouldn’t have any problem if any play was open to a challenge, understanding that if it’s not conclusive, then it’s not conclusive and the ruling on the field would stand. That’s the way it is anyway. You have to make it a lot simpler in my mind.”
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I completely agree with him. You only have 2 challenges regardless. If its a judgment call and its not clear on film, then the coach wasted the challenge.
FWIW, I don't think you should be able to challenge if you think there was offensive holding or not, or the like.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 4:25 pm
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Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:23 pm to Fun Bunch
Wouldve been awesome for the Pats/Saints game
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:25 pm to Fun Bunch
No thanks.
Games would run like 5 hours long.
Coaches would throw it for holding calls and it will take officials 15 minutes to figure it out
Games would run like 5 hours long.
Coaches would throw it for holding calls and it will take officials 15 minutes to figure it out
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:26 pm to Mr Harrow
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No thanks.
Games would run like 5 hours long.
Coaches would throw it for holding calls and it will take officials 15 minutes to figure it out
Same amount of challenges...
(although, obviously, they would be used more)
Just have a guy in the booth instead of the ridiculous ref goes to a kiosk, etc etc. Would be faster.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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Same amount of challenges...
I know
I'm saying coaches would challenge dumb stuff and it would take forever to figure out.
More times than not penalties are a judgment call and shouldn't be reviewed.
There is holding on like 99 percent of NFL snaps
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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If it is [conclusive] than they’d overturn it.
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nbcsports
Posted on 12/3/13 at 4:55 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah i agree completely except i would limit the challenges to only called penalties or something like that, and probably take out the holding challenges all together.
PI and the roughing the passer/personal fouls should DEFFINITLY be reviewable. They are too big of penalties not to. I dont care about "judgement" calls when there are definitive rules that define those penalties.
PI and the roughing the passer/personal fouls should DEFFINITLY be reviewable. They are too big of penalties not to. I dont care about "judgement" calls when there are definitive rules that define those penalties.
Posted on 12/3/13 at 5:06 pm to Fun Bunch
Honestly, most penalties are really easy to spot on replay. I think the issue would be trying to get a penalty over turned. Especially on holding penalties or determining if a ball is uncatchable on interference penalties.
This post was edited on 12/3/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:29 am to Fun Bunch
How about, you get as many challenges as you want, but as soon as you have one denied, you're out of challenges?
Or, you get as many challenges as you want, but if you lose a challenge, you lose 15 yards?
I'm all for the coaches having the power to do whatever it takes to get the call right as long as there is something at stake if they challenge the officials (eta: I know a timeout is at stake, but I think that's not enough). Hasn't Andy Reid not lost 90% of his challenges or something? Shouldn't he take more heat for that? A lost challenge means you were wrong, and the ref was right, and you wasted everybody's time. As much head as the officials take for their mistakes, I say throw the coaches under that same bus for making a bad call themselves, especially after the officials get it right.
Or, you get as many challenges as you want, but if you lose a challenge, you lose 15 yards?
I'm all for the coaches having the power to do whatever it takes to get the call right as long as there is something at stake if they challenge the officials (eta: I know a timeout is at stake, but I think that's not enough). Hasn't Andy Reid not lost 90% of his challenges or something? Shouldn't he take more heat for that? A lost challenge means you were wrong, and the ref was right, and you wasted everybody's time. As much head as the officials take for their mistakes, I say throw the coaches under that same bus for making a bad call themselves, especially after the officials get it right.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:31 am to Fun Bunch
so less hard hits and more wasted time...exciting stuff.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:34 am to ballscaster
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(eta: I know a timeout is at stake, but I think that's not enough)
It is in the second half, not really in the first half.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:42 am to Jcorye1
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If you scroll down to the table in this article, you'll see that coaches' challenges are successful somewhere around 50% of the time. What this basically means is that:
- When an official makes one of his hundreds of calls during a game, he always thinks he is right, and 99% of the time he is right.
- When a coach makes one of his one challenge every couple games, he always thinks he's right, and he's only right 50% of the time.
I think that putting a delay of game penalty at stake for a failed challenge makes the coach's decision to challenge more difficult, and seeing as how the officials are so much better at officiating than the coaches are, I think that's good.
ETA: A challenge could end in one of three ways:
1. The ruling on the field is reversed. New Orleans is not charged a timeout, nor are they penalized.
2. The ruling on the field stands. New Orleans is charged a timeout but not penalized.
3. The ruling on the field is confirmed. New Orleans is charged a timeout and penalized five yards for wasting our time.
If you scroll down to the table in this article, you'll see that coaches' challenges are successful somewhere around 50% of the time. What this basically means is that:
- When an official makes one of his hundreds of calls during a game, he always thinks he is right, and 99% of the time he is right.
- When a coach makes one of his one challenge every couple games, he always thinks he's right, and he's only right 50% of the time.
I think that putting a delay of game penalty at stake for a failed challenge makes the coach's decision to challenge more difficult, and seeing as how the officials are so much better at officiating than the coaches are, I think that's good.
ETA: A challenge could end in one of three ways:
1. The ruling on the field is reversed. New Orleans is not charged a timeout, nor are they penalized.
2. The ruling on the field stands. New Orleans is charged a timeout but not penalized.
3. The ruling on the field is confirmed. New Orleans is charged a timeout and penalized five yards for wasting our time.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 8:44 am
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:46 am to ballscaster
This is one rule I like the college rule for at ton. Have a review booth, if something is questionable, take a few minutes to get it right. Give the coaches 1 challenge like they get in college so they can use it for something else.
But overall I agree about being able to use the challenges on almost anything (false starts or holding or offsides I don't know if I agree with but most calls)
But overall I agree about being able to use the challenges on almost anything (false starts or holding or offsides I don't know if I agree with but most calls)
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:51 am to Buckeye06
I agree that every play should be able to be reviewed including penalties.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:52 am to ballscaster
Actually, it doesn't mean they are wrong that often, it means there was no conclusive evidence to overturn it. And that happens alot.
IMO, when they look at replays, I wish they'd use more common sense, and regardless if the evidence is there or not, make the call that seems to be more right.
IMO, when they look at replays, I wish they'd use more common sense, and regardless if the evidence is there or not, make the call that seems to be more right.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:54 am to Sl4m
how about lets all challenges away, put the vagina flags away for "hard hits" , take the red jerseys off qbs, shut the f up and play football like it was meant to be played and stop all the bitching and whining!
Posted on 12/4/13 at 8:58 am to josh336
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regardless if the evidence is there or not
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:54 am to ballscaster
How is this going to make the game "5 hours long"?
# of challenges don't change and if I'm not mistaken, the officials have a set time (2.5 mins?) to look at a play. If they can't come to a definitive conclusion in that time period, the play stands as called.
Literally nothing would change about the game except the type of plays that could be reviewed via challenge flag.
# of challenges don't change and if I'm not mistaken, the officials have a set time (2.5 mins?) to look at a play. If they can't come to a definitive conclusion in that time period, the play stands as called.
Literally nothing would change about the game except the type of plays that could be reviewed via challenge flag.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
I agree keep the challengeable plays as they are now, all other plays can be challenged but you lose a challenge even if you win. just to keep the game moving.
Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:58 am to dcrews
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How is this going to make the game "5 hours long"?
I laughed at that too.
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