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#2, Football-Winston related
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:15 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:15 am
This has probably been discussed in the multiple Winston threads/pages but nobody has time to read through all those.
If/when he gets charged/suspended let's say FSU still wins out against it's pathetic schedule but maybe plays a semi close game with Florida and whoever they play in the ACCCG. Do the voters still put them #2 or does an undefeated Baylor or OSU jump them if it becomes clear Winston would not be playing in a Bowl game?
If/when he gets charged/suspended let's say FSU still wins out against it's pathetic schedule but maybe plays a semi close game with Florida and whoever they play in the ACCCG. Do the voters still put them #2 or does an undefeated Baylor or OSU jump them if it becomes clear Winston would not be playing in a Bowl game?
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Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:17 am to RandySavage
Good football question actually. Not sure how voters would handle it. (Also some might outright punish FSU for this fiasco)
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:19 am to The Mick
Yeah the scenarios here of how things might play out are mind boggling actually. SO many routes this could go in a hurry...
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to RandySavage
Hmmmmm, I don't think it would be right to punish a team who's undefeated and a pretty established #2 just because one player messed up.
The computers wouldn't factor it in at all. As for the coaches/media, I think the best path is to not assume, so if he hasn't been suspended yet I'd say they don't factor it in.
The real question is if FSU beats Bama with Winston as QB and a few years from now the NCAA vacates the FSU title will Bama then claim it?
The computers wouldn't factor it in at all. As for the coaches/media, I think the best path is to not assume, so if he hasn't been suspended yet I'd say they don't factor it in.
The real question is if FSU beats Bama with Winston as QB and a few years from now the NCAA vacates the FSU title will Bama then claim it?
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to The Mick
I think voters will certainly vote FSU down in the polls if he were to get charged...
i don't think he gets charged in the next few weeks though, and plays out the regular season and highly likely he plays in the BCSNCG, imo.
i don't think he gets charged in the next few weeks though, and plays out the regular season and highly likely he plays in the BCSNCG, imo.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to RandySavage
I think the voters would jump them in favor of OSU.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to The Mick
My guess is he plays through bowl game because any trial would not come until after season.
If he's out though and since Coker is out as well, I could see voters dropping them behind another undefeated team if there is one.
Ohio St could still lose to Mich St, Baylor could still lose to OSU or Texas.
Also, remember when Tenn played FSU in the first BCS game, the FSU QB was the backup Outzen. Not a guarantee pollsters will penalize them but it could get very interesting if he's suspended.
If he's out though and since Coker is out as well, I could see voters dropping them behind another undefeated team if there is one.
Ohio St could still lose to Mich St, Baylor could still lose to OSU or Texas.
Also, remember when Tenn played FSU in the first BCS game, the FSU QB was the backup Outzen. Not a guarantee pollsters will penalize them but it could get very interesting if he's suspended.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to RandySavage
I think it has to be Auburn v. Ohio State in that scenario.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:20 am to RandySavage
I think the choice between Baylor and Ohio St. is a TOUGH one.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:24 am to RandySavage
without winston fsu is NOT the 2nd best team.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:26 am to nicholastiger
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Also, remember when Tenn played FSU in the first BCS game, the FSU QB was the backup Outzen. Not a guarantee pollsters will penalize them but it could get very interesting if he's suspended.
Good point but that was due to injury which makes it a little different and I don't think there were two other, potentially, undefeated teams sitting right behind them.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:39 am to RandySavage
I see it now. They still win out to play Bama as is predicted and he is suspended.
However, Florida State gets rolled by about forty points and the excuses start flying.
However, Florida State gets rolled by about forty points and the excuses start flying.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:48 am to RandySavage
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Good point but that was due to injury which makes it a little different and I don't think there were two other, potentially, undefeated teams sitting right behind them.
Even if he were to ultimately be suspended the answer to the question probably depends on when.
It would also matter if only one or both of Baylor and Ohio St are undefeated. Otherwise they probably take BCS points away from each other.
If he were to be suspended before Florida and the ACC CG and Florida St struggles in those games then an undefeated Ohio St or Baylor would likely get enough votes over them to at least make it close.
However, the computers will still be in FSU's favor (heavily in their favor unless Clemson loses).
FSU's best case scenario if he were suspended is that it happens soon enough to beat both Florida and, say, Duke convincingly with a backup QB that plays well. Soon enough that the backup QB at least faces Florida's defense instead of only Duke's would be better.
I think FSU gets in regardless if they win out but it would certainly hurt their chances if they face Alabama in the CG.
This post was edited on 11/21/13 at 11:50 am
Posted on 11/21/13 at 11:49 am to wm72
FSU will stay #2 if they win out. Don't think it will matter, human vote and computers will cancel each other out most likely
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:05 pm to theBeard
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without winston fsu is NOT the 2nd best team.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:08 pm to Dubosed
FSU's back-up is a redshirt freshman, 3 star QB from NJ that only received offers from Florida State and Buffalo.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:11 pm to lowspark12
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i don't think he gets charged in the next few weeks though, and plays out the regular season and highly likely he plays in the BCSNCG, imo
I don't think it will take that long. I think there will be intense pressure on the State Attorney to file charges. If charges are filed then JW must be suspended from the team per FSU guidelines.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:11 pm to Dubosed
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without winston fsu is NOT a top 10 team.
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:11 pm to KosmoCramer
He gets suspended immediately upon arrest, so that could be within days. Unless the case gets dropped
Posted on 11/21/13 at 12:13 pm to League Champs
If Winston gets suspended, there is no way that FSU should be #2. I know it's not fair to the team, but they aren't remotely close to being the same team without Winston there.
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