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No way Jameis deserves the Heisman over Johnny
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:49 am
A&M would beat Wake as well. But they probably move the ball a little bit on A&M's defense.
Jameis has better rbs, MUCH better defense, maybe a better Oline and plays weaker competition. You could even make the case that FSU's depth at WR is better. I like Jamies. But he's not the best player in CFB.
Jameis is just a more dynamic AJ. (in importance to their team....I dont mean that as a knock...great QBs....but not what makes the team go)
Johnny Football is the best player in the country.
Jameis has better rbs, MUCH better defense, maybe a better Oline and plays weaker competition. You could even make the case that FSU's depth at WR is better. I like Jamies. But he's not the best player in CFB.
Jameis is just a more dynamic AJ. (in importance to their team....I dont mean that as a knock...great QBs....but not what makes the team go)
Johnny Football is the best player in the country.
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Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:50 am to Rittdog
Agreed
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:50 am to Rittdog
Maybe not, but FSU is the best team in the country.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:51 am to RB10
How many DEFENSIVE touchdowns so far today?? smh
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:52 am to Rittdog
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but not what makes the team go
You could argue the offensive system is what makes A&M "go", Manziel just adds some dynamic and explosive plays on top.
fwiw, I agree Winston has a better supporting cast.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:52 am to Rittdog
what do defensive TDs have to do with this?
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:52 am to Rittdog
FSU 
Why aren't these guys #1?
Why aren't these guys #1?
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:53 am to quail man
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what do defensive TDs have to do with this?
Just saying that Johnny doesnt even get the benefit of a defensive stop. Jameis is actually getting TDs from his defense.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:54 am to Rittdog
The Heisman should go to OSU's QBs
Combined 29/5 and over 70% completion percentage
And yes I'm joking
Combined 29/5 and over 70% completion percentage
And yes I'm joking
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:54 am to Rittdog
Two signature top ten wins
How many signature losses does johnny have this year? Two and maybe one more coming up.
Yup. He's the real hesiman winner
How many signature losses does johnny have this year? Two and maybe one more coming up.
Yup. He's the real hesiman winner
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:56 am to Rittdog
I agree that Johnny is better
Win/Loss factor will play a role. You can believe that. Johnny could have had the "heisman moment" against Auburn but they lost. He'll have a couple more opportunities against Missouri and LSU.
We'll see, its been a good race.
Win/Loss factor will play a role. You can believe that. Johnny could have had the "heisman moment" against Auburn but they lost. He'll have a couple more opportunities against Missouri and LSU.
We'll see, its been a good race.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:56 am to Rittdog
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Just saying that Johnny doesnt even get the benefit of a defensive stop. Jameis is actually getting TDs from his defense.
Which is why I said he may not deserve the heisman over Manziel but FSU is the best team in the country.
FWIW if Manziel deserves it then Evans should get consideration as well. From what I've seen Manziel scrambles around and then throws it up to Evans, who's triple covered, and he somehow comes down with it.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:58 am to Rittdog
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Just saying that Johnny doesnt even get the benefit of a defensive stop.
But he does get the benefit of inflated numbers because of their shitty D.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:59 am to RB10
They aren't going to give the Heisman to a previous winner unless he's blowing the competition out of the water, which Manziel is not.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:59 am to RB10
I don't understand what defensive TD's have to with a QB's (who happens to be on the same team) Heisman chances.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 11:59 am to Rittdog
No way Peyton deserves NFL MVP. Look what Matty Checkdown has done this year.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 12:01 pm to Goldrush25
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They aren't going to give the Heisman to a previous winner unless he's blowing the competition out of the water, which Manziel is not.
If FSU is undefeated and in the BCSCG then Winston will win it.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 12:02 pm to Rittdog
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Jameis is just a more dynamic AJ.
Jameis is Andrew Luck.
Posted on 11/9/13 at 12:05 pm to RB10
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If FSU is undefeated and in the BCSCG then Winston will win it.
Agreed.
Even heard Tim Brown say that previous winners generally don't want to vote for previous winners unless their hand is forced. Manziel doesn't have a shot in hell of winning it again with the emergence of Winston. Winston is the perfect candidate, IMO.
This post was edited on 11/9/13 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 11/9/13 at 12:06 pm to Rittdog
I agree but Jameis will probably win it.
Jameis is a great, polished player. But JFF is much, much better.
Jameis is a great, polished player. But JFF is much, much better.
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