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this criticism of chavis is absolutely absurd (long)

Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:24 am
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:24 am
the stupidity on the rant has reached astronomical levels since the ole miss loss.

I would just love for someone to cite one defense in the history of college football who lost 7 starters, six of them juniors, to the nfl, the next season had two true freshman starting at cb/nickel, and fielded a defense anywhere near the top 50, much less 25th in the fricking nation.

When you have fricking 18 year old kids as your cover corners, and your only other cover corner with experience (mills) has a tendency to get burned deep, AND your front four consistently fails to get pressure on their own, the only real option is to play zone. Why the frick do you think HS defenses run 90% zone defenses? They're easy for the kids to understand and execute and prevent big plays.

When we had the best secondary in cfb you didnt hear a goddamn word about "third and chavis" because with those athletes, combined with experience, you can run bump and run, combo zones, zone blitzes, whatever. Try incorporating those schemes into a secondary with kids barely old enough to buy a fricking pack of cigarettes, you are virtually guaranteed a couple blown assignments and busted coverage per game, and against a team with any decent qb, those are gonna be six every time.

And as for the argument that he only fielded top defenses because he relied on talent? Please refer to the University of Texas defense under Many Diaz. UT had and still has just as many high nfl draft picks on defense, a front seven loaded with 5 star recruits, and fielded the worst defense in UT history last season. they were 90th in the country in rush defense for christ sake. Talent alone can not, has not, and will never make a great defense. Just look at TCU. They field one of the best defenses in the country with half the talent.

Coaches have to scheme for teams based on their players strengths and weaknesses. If we had been blitzing more frequently and leaving our dbs on an island, the second one of them gets burned the rants response would be "omg jalen mills sucks put in some other player i know nothing about, chavis is so overrated"

I'm it's just ridiculous. The guy is easily a top 5 DC, has a stellar record over like 15+ seasons in the SEC, is fielding a defense with multiple 18-19 olds starting, then defense has semed to improve as the seasons gone on, but we lose one game to a team that always plays us tough, and half the fanbase wants him fired.

over the past ten years, the LSU fanbase has turned from one of the most die hard, passionate, optimistic fanbases in the country to the most cynical, spoiled, half assed group of people, and i'm downright embarrassed how fast these "fans" turned on both some of their players and coaches after one fricking game. I mean miles has a laundry thing of things to give him flak about, but to even consider tat john chavis should be fired...just unreal.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57368 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:25 am to
Cliff notes?
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
15593 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:29 am to
quote:

over the past ten years, the LSU fanbase has turned from one of the most die hard, passionate, optimistic fanbases in the country to the most cynical, spoiled, half assed group of people


You nailed it here. So much bitching, pissing, and moaning it's unbelievable.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:29 am to
He does not have a stellar record in the SEC for 15 yrs

his views and play calling got him fired at TN..
the same views that has lost us games.

his is not awful, but his "playing scared" usually with against a strong opponent is a killer.
Posted by Bengalroar
Member since Aug 2013
887 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:30 am to
3rd and chavis is real. It was real when we were loaded with NFL ready defenders, and it's real now. There is a lot of talent on that D. No reason we can't get pressure on small school qbs, especially when Ole Miss 2nd string D got pressure on our qb.
Posted by ColaTiger
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2013
2193 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:31 am to
What's hilarious is that, before the season even started, many posters expected that our defense would be young and in rebuilding mode. That we would get 2-4 losses. Well, here we are and the team seems to be MEETING expectations yet the Rantards still want to crucify everyone. They are just a bunch of entitled crybabies.
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:31 am to
just explaining how chavis is doing the best with what he can this season, and is still fielding a top 25 defense. Anyone who think this season indicates chavis is an "average" DC either doesnt know shite about defense, or is a complete fairweather fan.

and as i'm a betting man, i'll lay 3-1 odds on 200 bucks that LSU finishes in the top 15 in total d next season.
Posted by mooseknuckle
Hill country
Member since Aug 2006
4435 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:36 am to
It's a game. That's it. Entertainment if you will. When my entertainment is no longer entertaining or is downright frustrating, I move on to something else.

People need to look in the mirror and evaluate what is important in life. I will tell you what's not important. A football game. A bunch of young college students fighting over a ball. College students which for the most part, wouldn't even be allowed in the university. Only because they run fast, jump high or throw a ball a long way are they enrolled at LSU.

You seem to be wound a little tight. Maybe you should put your "fanhood" in check. Look in the mirror and pump the brakes.
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:38 am to
quote:

just explaining how chavis is doing the best with what he can this season, and is still fielding a top 25 defense. Anyone who think this season indicates chavis is an "average" DC either doesnt know shite about defense, or is a complete fairweather fan.

and as i'm a betting man, i'll lay 3-1 odds on 200 bucks that LSU finishes in the top 15 in total d next season.

i love the chief. i actually can understand what the D is going thru this yr. my only real problem is how louis isn't playing MLB but welter is.

i'm actually more alarmed at the chief last yr. the end of bama, sc, clemson, ole miss, etc. we won some of those but it wasn't necessarily bc of defense.

i know a competent offense could've gotten a win vs florida but we got drilled that game. ust manhandled.

ole miss was a team loss but there wasn't a doubt in my mind that they were gonna march down for a TD or FG attempt.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 8:39 am
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:38 am to
I still can't believe how fast everyone turned on Chavis.
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:39 am to
quote:

his views and play calling got him fired at TN..
the same views that has lost us games.


right, so because we cant pick up one first down against bama, and because miles made 3 boneheaded decisions, and after hold them to 14 pints for 59 minutes, the loss is entirely on chavis. right.

and also, at tennesse, he never came close to having the secondary we traditionally have at LSU, will have again next year.

Yalls logic is rock solid. 2010, 2011, and 2012 were all anomalies. But the season after we lose a record number of underclassmen to the nfl is not an anomaly, but proof that he was overrate all along. Brilliant reasoning.
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:42 am to
quote:

the end of bama, sc, clemson,
bama and clemson were absolutely team losses. or at least for the bama game, "team", combined with three unconscionable decisions by miles.
Posted by cheapseat
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2004
6288 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:45 am to
quote:

would just love for someone to cite one defense in the history of college football who lost 7 starters, six of them juniors, to the nfl, the next season had two true freshman starting at cb/nickel, and fielded a defense anywhere near the top 50, much less 25th in the fricking nation.

It ,of course ,goes back to all the jrs going pro, nobody but LSU could have as good of a season as they are having losing that many Srs to be and still be a high ranked team.
+1

As far as the whole coaching staff goes, it was a game of 2 halves. Changes were made at halftime, the Tigers came out and wore down the Palidens,as they should in that situation. And came out and put up some good stats in the second half. If you would have just listened to the second half you would have been very pleased. I know im playing Capt. obvious here, but so be it. They started the game fired up , LSU did not. As far as the Ole Miss game goes , they make their season on the LSU game ,their offense was not dinged up that bad, and look what they did to A&M.
This post was edited on 10/28/13 at 8:48 am
Posted by doya2
Charenton
Member since Jan 2005
7933 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:45 am to
Check the last 3 games from last year before the draft took place and call me back.
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10340 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Yalls logic is rock solid. 2010, 2011, and 2012 were all anomalies. But the season after we lose a record number of underclassmen to the nfl is not an anomaly, but proof that he was overrate all along. Brilliant reasoning.


Chavis is not an awful coordinator, but he does play scare against talented strong teams.

It is HISTORY..that was what got him fired at TN.

Chavis is not by nature an aggressive coordinator, he was lucky that he had in years past, aggressive players and leaders...his reputation improved because of that only.

At times he seems to play TO NOT LOSE, instead of playing to win.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
155725 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:48 am to
i dont think anyone wants chavis fired. hell, other than dj mccarthy (who HAD to go) has miles actually fired a coach ever?

there are problems across the board with the defense, scheme and personnell wise. chavis has been running his stuff for over 20 years so its not like offensive coordinators are losing sleep at night trying to figure out ways to exploit it. i'd like to see him mix it up but therein lies the problem with personnell, some of them just aren't very good.


and if jalen collins can get benched why cant welter?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
103106 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:50 am to
Chavis is great when he has 8 NFL 1st and 2nd rounders on the field and three or four 4th rounders coming off the bench.

Otherwise he gets PWND
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 8:51 am to
quote:

You seem to be wound a little tight. Maybe you should put your "fanhood" in check.


I'm not even that mus of a fan. My whole family is from LA so i kind of grew up watching LSU. After the game i was pretty down, but not really devasted. But when i've been on TD the last two weeks ive just been absolutely blwon away by the vitriol towards mile and chavis. There's definitely some merit to the miles criticism, but for chavis? actually wanting him fired?? unreal. 95% of cfb teams would jump at the chance to have him,especially since he has no desire to be head coach so the recruiting bonus for that is huge. yet LSU loses one game and people want him FIRED
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 9:00 am to
I agree with dallas! NOT TO LOSE!
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2384 posts
Posted on 10/28/13 at 9:03 am to
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and if jalen collins can get benched why cant welter?
my suspicion is that welter seems to consistently be getting guys lined up in the right spots, whether whos covering the flats, dlineman in the wrong gap, etc. My guess is that chavis has no faith whatsoever in the ability of lamar louis or beckwith handle that responsibility. much less faith in the other young guys to get their assignments right on their own. so he's trading off reducing the risk of busted assignments, which can lead to big plays, for a marginal downgrade in athleticism.
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