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NCAA '14 defensive gameplay

Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:59 am
Posted by BabySam
FL
Member since Oct 2010
1504 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 10:59 am
I've been using SECElite's sliders from operation sports and have enjoyed the game for the most part. I'm having a hell of a time playing D at this point. Miss tackles and guys seem to get easily lost in space, and seems my player controlled guy can NEVER get off the guy blocking him. Anyone got suggestions of other sliders or if default on All-American is good enough? I never liked how Hesiman just made all the slow guys able to run down the fast guys. Thanks
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
8331 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:45 am to
I make the tackle about 25% of the time in open space. Very frustrating. I normally faceplant and allow the carrier to gain an additional 10 yards. I also hate when they throw to the flats and I can't see the receiver. I too would like to hear some recommendations for improving the defensive gameplay
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5623 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 11:52 am to
I haven't found any sliders that I like yet. As far as defense, it just takes practice. Right now, I play on Heisman, and I can still get user tackles though it's not easy. The new 'dive' tackle makes it difficult to use X and just expect an automatic tackle. You almost have to big hit every time to make sure you take down the ball-carrier.
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

I also hate when they throw to the flats and I can't see the receiver


Change your camera view to Wide. You can see the field. Or you could go one step further and go to coordinator camera and it would should you basically the entire field from endzone to endzone.
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 12:27 pm to
A lot of the missed tackles are most likely caused by constantly attempting to hit stick. If you just flick the Right analog stick, you will dive at a player. If you hold the right analog stick, your player will "charge up" and then unload on the ball carrier. I try to stay away from hit sticking simply because the new infinity engine allows you to run into the guy and press square to initiate a wrap up tackle. Or if you want to continue to hit stick, if you wait until you are right up on the guy (as in a yard or less away), your chances at a successful hit stick tackle are increased. Also take into account who you are controlling versus who you are attempting to take down. If you are using some 5'11 160 pound corner and attempting to take down a 6'0 205 lb RB, you will have very little success as it is and will need to just slow him down and let the rest of your team swarm to the ball.

If your guy is engaged in a block, utilize the right analog stick. If you look at the game manual online, you will see various moves you perform with the right analog stick (swim, spin, bull rush). Use those to disengage from a block, or at the very least attempt to push the blocker back into the ball carrier.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 2:21 pm to
I've gotten the tackling down for the most part. My biggest issue is WR's are always wide arse open. No matter what type of coverage I run, there is always 1 or 2 WR's with nobody within 10-15 yards of them. If I can't get to the QB, it is an automatic score every time.
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 2:42 pm to
Pay attention to the routes that the WR is running that you are continually getting beat on. If they are slants, streaks or out/in routes, it's because your secondary or perhaps that corner is pressing him and the WR is beating the press coverage. If you are being beat by comeback routes, it's because your corner is playing too far off (most likely a zone coverage assignment). Also, if the CPU is throwing to the same WR who is continually getting open, you can spotlight the WR to put more attention on him. The flip side to the spotlight is that it COULD leave someone else open.

I don't know what defender you control, but I normally control the MLB or a Safety and will play to my assignment, but if I am the MLB, I watch the middle of the field like a hawk for slant routes, etc. Especially if I am in press coverage. I know what you mean though about the QB always somehow finding the open WR. It's happened more than a few times to myself as well.

I know speed plays a huge part in videogame football, but i've noticed that guys with high awareness ratings and play recognition seem to not fall victim to certain things. So when I recruit, I don't necessarily always go after the high OVR guys. I'll find guys with certain attributes that fit my team and run with that.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 3:05 pm to
It is mostly out routes or corner routes. I usually don't press my DB's up, just keep them at their normal depth. I've tried backing them off, but they still get burned on the same routes. Usually isn't the same receiver either. I've tried pushing my safety's out wide, but doesn't seem to help either.

I play as the DLinemen for the most part. This game is causing me to have to change strategy a bit because they have made it infinitely harder to play as such, so I'm learning to play some as a safety.

Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
11065 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 3:09 pm to
I still haven't bought it. I want to though, just wanted y'all's opinion on the game.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30189 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 3:18 pm to
I've had great success running a simple Cover 2 Man for the majority of games. I tend to play basic, conservative defense that forces you to go underneath.

I've always found defense on NCAA more difficult to play than offense, so my goal on defense is to

1 - Not give up the big play

2 - Very rarely blitz (and when I do, it's long yardage situations where even if I get burned, I likely won't give up the first down)

3- By playing conservatively and forcing everything underneath and short, I cause the offense to have to run more plays, drop back more times and in my mind, they eventually will make a mistake. A guy can make 6 perfect throws and have 5 good running plays, but on that 12th play, if he throws an INT, those good plays won't matter.

Most people want to be flashy, go for the long ball, make the homerun play. By forcing them to take short yardage passes and runs all game, they eventually get bored and try the long ball or do something uncharacteristic to force something. That's when I capitalize.

I am by no means an expert at this game but this strategy has worked for me thus far.

ETA: I basically employ a defensive style that doesn't try to force mistakes, but rather hold you in check until you get frustrated and botch up a play action, an option play or a deep ball...essentially waiting for YOU to MAKE the mistake for me.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 3:23 pm
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:14 pm to
3-3-5 cover 2 man where the olb is designed to blitz.. instead i switch to him and drop him in coverage.. very good results 75% of the time. for some reason it causes the qb to panic
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30189 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

3-3-5 cover 2 man where the olb is designed to blitz.. instead i switch to him and drop him in coverage.. very good results 75% of the time. for some reason it causes the qb to panic


Interesting. I never really even though to use much of the 3-3-5 (or 4-2-5 for that matter).

I would imagine the QB panics because 99% of the time, he approaches the line with the expectation of a four man front and an easy read on the defense.

I may have to try that out. Especially on passing downs considering there is zero pressure ever on the QB with the downlineman outside of a broken play or exceptional coverage down field.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

I would imagine the QB panics because 99% of the time, he approaches the line with the expectation of a four man front and an easy read on the defense.


i mean its not a gimick play or nothing but i find it to be most successful for me so far. i use the nickel 3-3-5 and cover 2 man. it shows one olb is blitzing.. i just play as him and drop him back and play a zone in middle of field for crossing routes (which the cpu loves) it has resulted in more picks, and qb scrambles because he is standing in pocket longer and panics. it doesnt work 100% of time, they will hit a play here and there because you are in man, but in my dynasty i play with ecu heisman level with adjusted sliders i beat north carolina (who shoulds killed me) 48-13 and had 4 ints on them in first half alone
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5623 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 5:00 pm to
I hate going up against a 3-3-5 or 3-4 defense. I don't like seeing so many potential blitzers near the LOS. Defensively, I play Cover 3 alot. Try to take away the middle of the field, and play good zone defense on first and second down. On third down, I bring the blitz. Honestly, I think you HAVE to user a linebacker or safety to throw off the QB's reads in this game.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30189 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 5:04 pm to
quote:

I think you HAVE to user a linebacker or safety to throw off the QB's reads in this game.



You definitely need to throw in some kinks or else competent players who know how to read defenses, will just shred you.

I will usually user the safety and play him close to the line no matter what defense I am in so he won't know if I'm coming with a blitz, dropping into cover 2 or 3 or playing straight man. Most people use the safeties as their method of reading the defense. If that's the case and they aren't privy on reading defenses based on other factors, it can really screw the opposing player over.

I'm gonna have to try 3-3-5 more.
This post was edited on 7/25/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted by tigers32
Member since Mar 2012
5623 posts
Posted on 7/25/13 at 5:08 pm to
Yeah that's what I like about Cover 3. It shows a single high safety, and adds an extra defender against the run.

I'd really like to see EA patch zone defense a bit though. I'd like to see defenders 'pattern match' more. Really frustrating seeing defenders do very little when a receiver is in their area. Still, I think you can play good defense in this game.
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