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There is no doubt re the import and passion behind the foundational principles which are behind these movements. From Religion to basic economic freedom, the schism is becoming so wide, that the only thing to be determined is the process which will be employed for individuals/groups to reclaim what many believe are God-Given Rights. And that such is recognized in the Constitution.

Obama himself, pushes the envelope in what are acts of blatant Constitutional nullification; picking and choosing the Laws which his Administration enforces or disregards. Healthcare...border security and Immigration Reform...using the EPA to essentially shut down the coal industry and deeply effecting the welfare of the citizenry...and worst of all, using Government agencies (IRS/NSA) to destroy political opposition. All of these instances - in a *normal* political scenario - would be Impeachable offenses. Yet, schismatic partisanship locks due process, leaving no legal chance of addressing these abuses.

Skeptics may and will ho-hum, and point to former Constitutional and legal precedents; naively believing that 'this has already been decided'. Tell that to the folk. God-Given Constitutional rights 'have already been decided' too. My how times do change. But the (former) veracity of these precedents are soon to become all but a moot issue, as it is the very weight and absolute authority of the Constitution that is being challenged. By Obama first...and now them who are affected by his illegal abuse.

It's just a matter of process. Either the Urban populations back off their Secular Statist hegemony, or the folk do what Obama does. Nullification. And ultimately, the Egyptian model of rejecting the Democratic process.

I hope they back off, and we can get back to prosperity and unity.








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This is so stupid... The only state that would have a legitimate chance of successfully seceding would be Texas.

They have all of the infrastructure and geography that you would need in order to self sustain yourself.






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the very weight and absolute authority of the Constitution that is being challenged. By Obama first...and now them who are affected by his illegal abuse.








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So Lank...you don't think, Obama thinks, that the Constitution is "living, breathing Document".

Honestly buddy, it don't matter what you, or me or Obama thinks, when it comes to "the consent of the governed". You either win that consent...or you rule and manipulate them at the 'barrel of a gun'. Pick your poison!

Funny how this works. You don't see any abuse. And Jeantel don't think that "creepy-assed cracker" is racist.

Fascinating. I love it. But I love Depp and the "Lone Ranger" too.






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The federal government has been overstepping its constitutional bounds since the end of the Lochner era. It certainly didn't start with Obama.

Internet patriots aside, most people are not ready to riot in the street. Most are worried about raising their children and paying their mortgage. You guys may think the sky is falling, but the majority of the country is perfectly content with their nice little First World lives.



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Secession will never happen. Politicians and some groups might chime in from time to time about it, but in the real world it will never happen it is just talk.
When the Civil War took place there was a very strong allegiance to one’s state. Your state came first and the US was a distant second, mainly because people were born and died within their state without ever having traveled outside its boarders. 99.9% of today’s population is not ready to die for their state. They might be proud of where they are from, but they are not going to fight and die for it.
Most people are content to ride out the next 3 years and see what the next guy can do. The pure hate some feel for Obama is not shared by nearly enough people of any state to choose to secede from the Union.
The 2012 doomsday movement had more legs then secession does.






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This is so stupid... The only state that would have a legitimate chance of successfully seceding would be Texas.

They have all of the infrastructure and geography that you would need in order to self sustain yourself.


The only reason it is stupid to you is because you have different definition of success.

Let self determination reign. If these states, counties, etc. fall flat on their face lets be the bigger country and help them back up.

The irony is a leadership and populace that supports self determination a la many of our founding fathers has a better chance of sticking together. It means that our leaders and people are grounded in liberty.







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Secession will never happen. Politicians and some groups might chime in from time to time about it, but in the real world it will never happen it is just talk.
When the Civil War took place there was a very strong allegiance to one’s state. Your state came first and the US was a distant second, mainly because people were born and died within their state without ever having traveled outside its boarders. 99.9% of today’s population is not ready to die for their state. They might be proud of where they are from, but they are not going to fight and die for it.
Most people are content to ride out the next 3 years and see what the next guy can do. The pure hate some feel for Obama is not shared by nearly enough people of any state to choose to secede from the Union.


I agree with this except for the never part. The US will reach a point where the country will balkanize. It's inevitable.






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The only reason it is stupid to you is because you have different definition of success.


No, because I have common sense...


Texas is the only state with its own power/energy infrastructure. Couple that with waterway access for shipping and a border with another country and they are set up.

Any other state that seceded would have MAJOR issues with getting resources, especially power. The US govt could immediately put a "Trade Embargo" on anything leaving the US for a seceded state.






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agree with this except for the never part. The US will reach a point where the country will balkanize. It's inevitable.


Sorry I just don't see it happening. There just isn't enough support within any state to secede. Even the most likely candidates of California, Alaska and Texas I don't see enough support. At worst I could see some states splitting up, NorCal and SoCal for example. But that's about it. The groups are merely fringe groups nothing more. Plus no State other than the three I mentioned and Alaska is a very long shot have enough of an economy to even think they could survive without the FED.






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The pure hate some feel for Obama is not shared by nearly enough people


I think your focus is too narrow. This is broader than Obama or Bush or R vs D. This pebble has been going down the hill for a while and there may be a full on avalanche coming.

On the other hand, maybe everyone has become so self absorbed that Washington can do anything it wants and no one will care as long they are not put out too much.






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Secession will never happen. Politicians and some groups might chime in from time to time about it, but in the real world it will never happen it is just talk.


I agree. However, it takes this kind of frustration to get the attention of the masses. Hopefully such talk will cause enough voters to see the need to reign in the abuses of power, and changes can be made w/o desperate actions.


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Most people are content to ride out the next 3 years and see what the next guy can do. The pure hate some feel for Obama is not shared by nearly enough people of any state to choose to secede from the Union.


The pure hate is not for the man, as it is his policies and actions/inaction. The precedents being established will cause even more hatred by Dems for the policies when used by the Republicans






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I think your focus is too narrow. This is broader than Obama or Bush or R vs D. This pebble has been going down the hill for a while and there may be a full on avalanche coming.


I think yours might be too broad. The spark that ignited secession and the civil war was Lincoln’s election. It was what his campaign had promised to do in regards to slavery and states’ rights that made the south secede.
There is no major issue that sparks enough hatred among the people or any particular state government that would make this even a slightly viable or intelligent option. And all of these supposed upsurges in these movements are because of this administration.






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Texas is the only state with its own power/energy infrastructure. Couple that with waterway access for shipping and a border with another country and they are set up.


Since we are talking hypothetical here Louisiana is pretty damn self sufficient too. We have the ports, energy infrastructure, manufacturing, and farming. 30% of the country's natural gas goes through Henry Hub. Also by simply shutting the the Colonial and Kinder Morgan pipelines valves off at the state border Louisiana could cripple the east coast. Of course that would spur on all out civil war.






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Plus no State other than the three I mentioned and Alaska is a very long shot have enough of an economy to even think they could survive without the FED.
Where do you think "the Fed" gets its money? Many states could do fine economically. Few states, if any, could manage militarily; drones and nukes would end things fast, though I'm not convinced Obama would care.






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I doubt we'll see secessions anytime soon but the first step is to get people talking about it as part of a legitimate political strategy.

The country was founded on what was basically a secession movement and secession movements are viewed as legitimate in other parts of the world. But, in the US since the Civil war its been a taboo subject and if brought up, it's invariably linked to racism/slavery and not freedom.

The fact that people are starting to discuss it openly is helpful in restoring its legitimacy, decoupling it from racism and restoring its association with freedom. Putting secession back on the trail to normalcy will help increase the odds that it could happen in the future.



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energy infrastructure,


Texas is the only independent power grid








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Texas is the only independent power grid


Don't forget Alaska and Hawaii.

But even parts of Texas like the panhandle and east Texas are part of the eastern interconnect and under federal jurisdiction. East Texas ties right into Entergy's poles and wires.

It would be a major task but a seceding state could cut its lines at the border and restructure its grid. There would likely be serious power disruption until they got the balance of generation and load settled.






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