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re: And So It Begins: Bitcoins seized by DEA
Posted on 6/24/13 at 8:57 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 6/24/13 at 8:57 pm to LSURussian
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No.
ok, let's try this again:
quote:
Have you [Wiki] written numerous times within the last 6 months that a bitcoin user can remain anonymous if he uses bitcoins?
Yes or no?
No.
(Does that answer the burning question?)
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:00 pm to gizmoflak
You can stop sucking wiki's dick now and let him answer. Thanks.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:02 pm to gizmoflak
quote:
No.
(Does that answer the burning question?)
No, and Wiki shouldn't have a proxy, I want to hear from him. Thank you
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:04 pm to LSURussian
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You can stop sucking wiki's dick now and let him answer. Thanks.
If you weren't so obtuse all the time, maybe you'd get your answer from him. Thanks.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:06 pm to gizmoflak
Stop sucking....
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:09 pm to LSURussian
not sucking
just sayin'
ya dig?
just sayin'
ya dig?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:15 pm to gizmoflak
quote:
not sucking
just sayin'
ya dig?
You are full on tonguing Wiki's balls
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You are full on tonguing Wiki's balls
You and Ruskie both brought up the notion of fellatio performed on Wiki. I'm sure there is plenty of Freudian significance to that.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:25 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Have you written numerous times within the last 6 months that a bitcoin user can remain anonymous if he uses bitcoins?
Yes or no?
sigh. here we go again for the umpteenth time.
I don't think you guys actually read what I write, but I will still try to educate you regardless.
A few FACTS for you guys. Maybe this time you'll actually LISTEN:
1. Bitcoin by default is pseudonymous. That means that a bitcoin user is not identified by any names, social security numbers, or any other unique identifier.
2. All transactions in the bitcoin blockchain are public. For instance, look at this transaction: LINK You can see that address "19herm..." sent either .299 bitcoin to "14R5rg..." with .4 bitcoin going to a "change" address of "12xKHk..." or it sent .4 bitcoins to "12xKHk..." with .299 bitcoins going to a "change" address of "14R5rg..."
There's no way to be 100% sure of the "change" address based on the information given. Also, there's no way to know the identity of the controller of any of those addresses unless other methods are utilized or the owner of them makes it publicly known.
3. That being said, a sufficiently motivated and funded party MIGHT be able to determine the owners of those bitcoin address, however, there is no guarantee of that.
Now, I know morons like LSURussian won't accept that, so I'll elaborate further.
4. IF OTHER STEPS ARE TAKEN, bitcoins can be used anonymously. For instance, mixing services and tumblers are available. A user could also exchange between multiple digital currencies to sever the "taint." There are many options available for enhancing anonymity.
5. There is a protocol add-on being developed called ZeroCoin that will allow bitcoin to be used anonymously without the need to take the extra steps.
So, the ultimate answer is: Can bitcoin be used anonymously? YES. However, the simple answer for quick and dirty explanations of bitcoin is that it is simply pseudonymous.
And again, I have explained this I don't know how many times, but idiots like LSURussian refuse to acknowledge it. Mark my words, there will be another thread in the future where he or his butt buddies try to call me out on this anonymity issue.
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:29 pm to Walking the Earth
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What's the appeal?
There are many things that appeal to people about bitcoin.
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It can be transferred electronically to any point on the globe just like the dollar
Sure, but unlike the dollar, that transaction can be person-to-person without relying on a third party, it can be done at any hour of the day, on any day of the year, and the transaction is instant (unless you insist on waiting for confirmations, which take about 10 minutes each - so, for a 6 confirmation transaction, you would wait an hour. But this is not necessary. It's the choice of the receiver.)
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it can be tracked just like the dollar
Not quite. Please see my post above.
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it obviously isn't safe from any governmental interference just like the dollar
What do you mean by that? I think I disagree.
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Plus, not everywhere accepts it as a form of payment
This is true.
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I can certainly see the prospective appeal of a bitcoin future in a world
If you truly could see that, then you wouldn't be asking the questions you did above.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:30 pm to WikiTiger
Ok Ok, point made, it's pseudonymous, I get it.
Now I cringed when I read
Now I cringed when I read
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sever the "taint."
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:45 pm to WikiTiger
You can't have it both ways.
You can't promote and proclaim anonymity for bitcoin users and then turn around and claim bitcoin users can probably be traced if someone with enough resources (like the government) really wants to trace the user's transactions.
The reason I "call you out" on the anonymity issue is because you try to have it both ways.
You try to lie by writing, essentially, "Bitcoin is not anonymous unless the btc user really, really tries hard to make it anonymous....and even then it's probably not anonymous."
You can't promote and proclaim anonymity for bitcoin users and then turn around and claim bitcoin users can probably be traced if someone with enough resources (like the government) really wants to trace the user's transactions.
The reason I "call you out" on the anonymity issue is because you try to have it both ways.
You try to lie by writing, essentially, "Bitcoin is not anonymous unless the btc user really, really tries hard to make it anonymous....and even then it's probably not anonymous."
Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:08 pm to WikiTiger
The NSA now has fixed points with known information from which to trace and analyze commnunications, not to mention using methods other than electronic intelligence gathering, it has collected knowing how to identify Bitcoin transactions. I'd bet on the NSA, and other law enforcement agencies, being able to trace and identify the parties to Bitcoin transactions if motivated to do so.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 5:13 am to gizmoflak
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You and Ruskie both brought up the notion of fellatio performed on Wiki. I'm sure there is plenty of Freudian significance to that.
I'm failing to make the Freudian connection, but it's been awhile since I studied Freud.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 5:49 am to gizmoflak
quote:
fellatio performed on Wiki.
Well on that note
Posted on 6/25/13 at 7:25 am to Lsut81
Just be happy there was no taint analysis performed. If so, then we could have had to witness a severing of the taint.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:51 am to Poodlebrain
From the Mt. Gox twitter page:
Are kernel panics worse than taints???
ETA:
quote:
Dear Mt. Gox Customers,
Early this morning at 4am Tokyo time Mt. Gox experienced some downtime that prevented customers from accessing the site. The issue was not an attack, but rather a system error that caused the problem. We were alerted to an error in the file system that had triggered a kernel panic, resulting in a server freeze. At that point we had to restart the server manually and proceeded with a fsck (file system check) which took some time. Once the server was clear we restarted the system.
We are well aware that this kind of problem should not normally occur (). We are currently in the process of migrating our server from a hosting provider to our own data center, and as soon as we have completed the move such problems should not repeat themselves in the future.
We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers who were trying to use our services during this period
Regards, Mt Gox Team
Are kernel panics worse than taints???
ETA:
This post was edited on 6/25/13 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/25/13 at 9:01 am to WikiTiger
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2. All transactions in the bitcoin blockchain are public. For instance, look at this transaction: LINK You can see that address "19herm..." sent either .299 bitcoin to "14R5rg..." with .4 bitcoin going to a "change" address of "12xKHk..." or it sent .4 bitcoins to "12xKHk..." with .299 bitcoins going to a "change" address of "14R5rg..."
quote:
4. IF OTHER STEPS ARE TAKEN, bitcoins can be used anonymously. For instance, mixing services and tumblers are available. A user could also exchange between multiple digital currencies to sever the "taint." There are many options available for enhancing anonymity.
5. There is a protocol add-on being developed called ZeroCoin that will allow bitcoin to be used anonymously without the need to take the extra steps.
There went the "ease of use" aspect of it also. So now easy to use and anonymous means, easy to use if you have a degree in advance computing science AND if you install bitanon, kernel wipe, taint sever and flux capacitor.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 9:13 am to Broke
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AND if you install bitanon, kernel wipe, taint sever and flux capacitor.
A mere 300 BTCs will get you the FC and the car to boot:
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A 1981 DeLorean DMC-12 is currently on sale by a startup company called Bitcoin Motor, a Craigslist-type marketplace where your credit cards and PayPal accounts are no good, either.
The asking price is 300 Bitcoin -- about $30,000 to old money types -- and only the digital currency will be accepted as payment for the car.
quote:
The only major modifications to the largely original spec car are an upgraded audio system, dash-mounted navigation and, of course, a Flux Capacitor
LINK
Or if you are a real bitcoin-baller, you can trade your 10K BTC for a couple of pizzas
Posted on 6/25/13 at 9:15 am to Broke
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and flux capacitor.
Flux capacitors don't work on Windows 8.
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