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Not the point



It's been shown that we actually lose money trying to screen for drugs. It's the rights version of feel good legislation.

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If we spent the money allocated for drug screens on stopping welfare abuse, we would get more bang for our buck.


You sound like a democrat now. They always want to take wasteful spending and spend it on something else that turns out to be a waste of money.

But, pray tell, how is spending more money gonna even put a serious dent in welfare abuse? I tend to think the bills are written in such a way to encourage "abuse." In their minds, they don't care where it goes, they just want the money spent so they'll have reason to spend that same amount and more in the future.






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it isn't like it's difficult to beat a 75 dollar drug test.
quite a boon for the detox industry






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This is about demeaning poor people,"


So what.

Stealing money from workers to give the poor free stuff without accountability is wrong.

How many welfare recipients hate the rich?

Who is continually demonizing the rich?

And do any welfare recipients offer any type of public service to "earn" their stolen money? (IMO, this should be required)

Do any welfare recipients offer the tax paying public a "thank you" (internet, newspaper)?






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nice avatar





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oklahogjr
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Something i've always considered with public welfare and the money I give to help people who need it.


Is there a chance for abuse? absolutely

Did I help someone with my money? yes I did.


I leave at the end of the day knowing I did the right thing and tried to help. Expecting to get anything else from it is just asking for too much when dealing with someone elses life.






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This is not about reducing spending- though it's possible to see savings from it.

The republicans have made it very clear that if this country will piss away money, they want a say in how it is administered.

The democrats are far from fiscal hawks....and using that as a point of criticism is hypocritical.

I agree with the republicans on this....taxpayers should not be forced to pay for direct handouts of people who choose to spend their money and time on illegal drugs. I'd like to see this with federal housing subsidies too. These should be temporary in nature- and someone who can't pass a drug screening for food stamps aren't going to pass a screening for a new job.



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They can smoke all the weed they want. I'd rather attach some kind of familial education/training requirements on public assistance.





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t's been shown that we actually lose money trying to screen for drugs. It's the rights version of feel good legislation.


My statement was that the original intent was not to humiliate people, but rather get rid of drug abusers who try to get govt assistance(which I don't think is worth the money).


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You sound like a democrat now. They always want to take wasteful spending and spend it on something else that turns out to be a waste of money


I don't agree with them wasting money on this program but the Republicans are hell bent on spending millions of dollars to cast a dragnet to find, and expell, a few people from a program that hemorrhages money as it is.

And, for the record, I think the SNAP budget should be slashed. No money for these programs means the abusers can either starve or get a job where they'll get piss tested like the rest of us.






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Now they shouldn't be able to eat?


Not if it's on my dime. I don't do drugs, and i pay for my own meals. Maybe the fact that they are casually taking a hit, are the reasons they are unemployed.

Choices have consequences.

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If this happens I forsee crime skyrocketing. I doubt these people will decide to just not eat or get a job all the sudden.


So them being offended because of the assumption of being on drugs is worse than your assumption that food stamp recipients are criminals?
also, these are the exact vermin we want to target. Those that commit crimes and harm others in order for them to be able to take a hit.

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Also as most people who smoke pot and take drug tests know (I know tons of people who do) it is easy to beat the test if you go spend 20-30 bucks at a headshop or online to buy some cleanse stuff.


I'm willing to bet that the percentage of drug testees that are on welfare won't go through the trouble of buying a cleansing system. That requires some form of effort, which could have been used to get a job,and not have to worry about getting food stamps anyway.

In short Personal Accountability would solve this, and if liberals would stop defending drug abuse, and making it acceptable and something that should be rewarded, would end all of this.

But as we all know Democrats make their living off of making excuses for the criminals, in order to buy a few votes. Welfare of the country be damned.

It's in Democrats best interest to keep drug abusers and poor people out of work, for if not, they would not have a voting block.






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been shown that we actually lose money trying to screen for drugs. It's the rights version of feel good legislation


The Florida legislation was discussed thoroughly on this board. The numbers issued to back this claim were completely incoherent. Based on the cost and positive rate, it should have been a large saver for the state.






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Is there a chance for abuse? absolutely

Did I help someone with my money? yes I did.


Imagine if you weren't forced into charity, how good it would feel?

How many charities do you donate to?






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upgrayedd
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Did I help someone with my money? yes I did.


Did you? Or did you prolong their poverty by giving them no incentive to provide for themselves?






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Patrick O Rly
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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Stealing money from workers to give the poor free stuff without accountability is wrong.


Stealing money is wrong period.

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How many welfare recipients hate the rich?

Who is continually demonizing the rich?


The government is the main tool of the rich to protect and enhance their wealth, and they pay handsomely for it.

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And do any welfare recipients offer any type of public service to "earn" their stolen money? (IMO, this should be required)

Do any welfare recipients offer the tax paying public a "thank you" (internet, newspaper)?


The only way this spending is even possible is because of money creation and debt. How does the government keep operating year in and year out with budget deficits? It's not the poor screwing us over.






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oklahogjr
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Not if it's on my dime. I don't do drugs, and i pay for my own meals. Maybe the fact that they are casually taking a hit, are the reasons they are unemployed.

I don't have to piss test at my job. The choice is completely up to the business. Most of the time the higher you are in the business the less drug testing requirements there are. Some would say because those people aren't on drugs look at how well they do. The reality is with most successful people I know, they'd tell a business to piss off if they said they had to take a piss test, what they do on their spare time is none of the companies business.

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So them being offended because of the assumption of being on drugs is worse than your assumption that food stamp recipients are criminals?
also, these are the exact vermin we want to target. Those that commit crimes and harm others in order for them to be able to take a hit.


I don't think they're criminals now. I also don't think they'll sit idly by and starve to death. Poverty creates crime.

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I'm willing to bet that the percentage of drug testees that are on welfare won't go through the trouble of buying a cleansing system. That requires some form of effort, which could have been used to get a job,and not have to worry about getting food stamps anyway.

even worse they'll spend their government money buying the stuff to beat the drug tests. Now the government is paying for them to be tested and to beat the drug test.

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if liberals would stop defending drug abuse, and making it acceptable

I think it's perfectly acceptable to do all the drugs you want to do. I don't need the government telling me what I can and can't put in my own body. Who the frick are they to know what is good and whats bad for me.







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oklahogjr
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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Imagine if you weren't forced into charity, how good it would feel?

I'm only forced into very little.

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How many charities do you donate to?


very few. I've always felt it did more good to just give the money to the people who need it directly. No sense in them spending half of it to get more donations.






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upgrayedd
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re: House approves amendment to Farm bill to test food stamp recipients for drugs


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I don't have to piss test at my job. The choice is completely up to the business.


Wrong, it's completely up to the industry in which you work.






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The government should adopt and actually live by the following standards used by my Church. Just substitute the phrase "Citizens of the USA" where it says "Church" in the following quote:

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Our primary purpose was to set up . . . a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished, and independence, industry, thrift and self respect be once more established amongst our people. The aim of the Church is to help the people to help themselves. Work is to be re-enthroned as the ruling principle of the lives of our Church membership.

The First Presidency, in Conference Report, Oct. 1936, 3








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oklahogjr
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Wrong, it's completely up to the industry in which you work.

I work in consulting. Some firms do and some don't, it's a business decision unless the government steps in and forces it industry wide.






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Chimlim
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"It costs a lot of public money just to humiliate people," she said. "It'll cost $75 for one of these drug tests, and for what purpose? Just to criminalize and humiliate poor people."

"This is about demeaning poor people," Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) added. "And we've been doing this time and time again on this House floor."


So it's not demeaning to workers who fund the food stamp program.

But it's demeaning to the leeches who benefit from it?



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