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Bayern is ruining the Bundesliga: part 78907
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:14 pm
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raphael honigstein ?@honigstein 48m
@Boy_Dorian @DanThomasESPN @ESPNPressPass number of "snatched" Bundesliga players in Bayern C L final team: 3. Dortmund: 6
Gard Lid Aabakken ?@BayernNorway 6m
@AlimaHotakie @honigstein @DanThomasESPN Like the man said, 3-6. (and one might add: Bayern academy players starting: 5, BVB: 1)
Even Klopp admits them taking Reus from Gladbach last season is the exact same thing as Gotze going to Bayern.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 3:16 pm
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Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:18 pm to Tweezy
Ok
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:19 pm to Atom-Z
ok
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:28 pm to Tweezy
But Bayern is a bully.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:31 pm to Tweezy
does that number include hummels?
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:38 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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does that number include hummels?
He never played for BVB's youth academy, so I'm guessing he's being counted as bought from a Bundesliga club.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:47 pm to Tweezy
Shut your whore mouth!
Posted on 5/27/13 at 3:48 pm to Tweezy
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Bayern is ruining the Bundesliga
germans
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:13 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Friend of OBUDan
Upon further inspection, I'm pretty sure the guy who posted the youth academy thing either misspoke or was just talking about the number of youth academy products in the game period. Alaba, Lahm, Schweinsteiger and Muller were the only Bayern players from the youth academy (Kroos and Badstuber who would've started or at least played if healthy are also youth academy products) The 3 poached Bayern players were Neuer (Schalke), Dante (Gladbach) and Mandzukic (Wolfsburg).
The BVB poached players were: Weidenfeller (FCK), Subotic (Mainz), Gundogan (Nuremberg), Reus (Gladbach. Never graduated from BVB youth academy and left to join another youth set up), Piszczek (Hertha Berlin), Hummels (Bayern). Bender and Grosskruetz were also bought from German teams, but they weren't Bundesliga sides at the time.
Their lone starting youth academy product was the one and only Marcel Schmelzer
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:15 pm to Tweezy
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Even Klopp admits them taking Reus from Gladbach last season is the exact same thing as Gotze going to Bayern.
I agree that it's no different at all.
However probably the salient point for many of us that are watching more Bundesliga the past few seasons is that the competitiveness was a great selling point.
If the league is to continue to grow in appeal then other clubs aside from Bayern need to take a huge step forward.
No one aside from Bayern fans wants to see them continue to waltz through the league the next few seasons and taking the best player from the only team close to competing with them is brilliant on their part but understandably a bit disappointing in terms of the attraction of the league as a whole.
However, the larger problem isn't Bayern's fault nor Dortmund's (who's probably overachieving at the present). It's simply that sides like Shalke, Leverkussen etc will need to step up their profile a great deal.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:24 pm to wm72
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However probably the salient point for many of us that are watching more Bundesliga the past few seasons is that the competitiveness was a great selling point.
If the league is to continue to grow in appeal then other clubs aside from Bayern need to take a huge step forward.
In a sense I do agree, but even in other leagues once the season is about a half of the way through how many teams are legitimately competing to win the title? The middle of the table is very competitive for European spots and the relegation fight is usually pretty close.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:26 pm to wm72
Regardless of any other circumstances it's pretty damn hypocritical of the bayern owner or manager or whomever it is to complain that nobody is stepping up with them and when a team does try to they buy two of their best players
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:29 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
How is that "pretty damn hypocritical" lol Dortmund put the release clause in his contract, that's them NOT stepping up. With Lewandowski, they can't pay him what he could earn at other clubs. Players go to the teams that maximize their value, always been like that, always will be like that.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:29 pm to Tweezy
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The middle of the table is very competitive for European spots and the relegation fight is usually pretty close.
Closest in Europe this season.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:31 pm to WarSlamEagle
Very rarely does the Bundesliga put the same sides in UCL or EL from season to season. I would say it's above average on the competitive scale. Only recently, to my knowledge has there been such a huge gulf at the top. BVB set the points record last year, and Bayern broke it this season.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:36 pm to Tweezy
Now you're just spouting nonsense, there's no denying that they said they want the league competition to improve and then immediately turned around and took the legs out from under a team trying to do just that.
It's not like they had every other player in the world to choose from to attempt to make their world beating squad slightly better, and the fact that if they brought in talent from other leagues it improves the talent of the league in total rather than keeping it stagnant with different kits.
I'm basically saying they need to not spout the shite if they aren't going to follow what they're saying, not that buying those players is inherently wrong
It's not like they had every other player in the world to choose from to attempt to make their world beating squad slightly better, and the fact that if they brought in talent from other leagues it improves the talent of the league in total rather than keeping it stagnant with different kits.
I'm basically saying they need to not spout the shite if they aren't going to follow what they're saying, not that buying those players is inherently wrong
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:44 pm to Tweezy
Oh yeah. This season, only nine points separated 5th place and 13th. Couple of years ago it was 11 points separating 5th place and the drop zone.
To compare, there were nine points separating 5th and 6th in the Premier League this season. There was an additional 12 point gap between 7th and 8th.
Every league has that gap below their top four or five, but the gap in the Bundesliga seems to be smaller. The midtable is more crowded, and anyone outside of the relegation zone could find their way to a European spot.
While the Premier League has the five European qualifiers and a big gap, the Bundesliga in recent years has had their top three teams (usually Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen...who only trailed Dortmund by one point in the final table), a smaller gap, two or three other teams, and another smaller gap. (Instead of a big gap, it's two smaller gaps is what I'm getting at here.)
This season of pure domination by Bayern is an anomaly. They shattered the record while Dortmund played like the typical second or third place team.
To compare, there were nine points separating 5th and 6th in the Premier League this season. There was an additional 12 point gap between 7th and 8th.
Every league has that gap below their top four or five, but the gap in the Bundesliga seems to be smaller. The midtable is more crowded, and anyone outside of the relegation zone could find their way to a European spot.
While the Premier League has the five European qualifiers and a big gap, the Bundesliga in recent years has had their top three teams (usually Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen...who only trailed Dortmund by one point in the final table), a smaller gap, two or three other teams, and another smaller gap. (Instead of a big gap, it's two smaller gaps is what I'm getting at here.)
This season of pure domination by Bayern is an anomaly. They shattered the record while Dortmund played like the typical second or third place team.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 5/27/13 at 4:47 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
Spouting nonsense? You're over there acting like they stole these players. They paid for them and now BVB can reinvest that money to bring in whoever they see fit, maybe theyll pillage the Bundesliga, seemed to work out pretty well for them the last few seasons. quote:
It's not like they had every other player in the world to choose from to attempt to make their world beating squad slightly better, and the fact that if they brought in talent from other leagues it improves the talent of the league in total rather than keeping it stagnant with different kits.
Everyone wanted these players lol If Bayern didn't buy them it's not like Freiburg had an extra 37 million euros laying around, they would've left the league. That makes the league worse.
Posted on 5/27/13 at 5:07 pm to Tweezy
Its like you're replying to someonee else's post, I honestly have no idea how you're getting what you say I'm saying.
Go back and read again if you have to, my problem with them is comparing their actions to their words not the actions in themselves
Go back and read again if you have to, my problem with them is comparing their actions to their words not the actions in themselves
Posted on 5/27/13 at 5:15 pm to Tweezy
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In a sense I do agree, but even in other leagues once the season is about a half of the way through how many teams are legitimately competing to win the title? The middle of the table is very competitive for European spots and the relegation fight is usually pretty close.
I agree with everything you say about the solid clubs in all the Europe spots etc. . .
Having a lot of very solid clubs that also aren't afraid to fall in the league table in any given year to put more effort into Europa league has brought Bundesliga the extra CL spot which is a massive boon.
However, the thing I see Bundesliga being up against -- in terms of, say, continuing to raise it's profile to where it gets TV outside of Germany close to on par with EPL, La Liga and Serie A -- is simply that Bayern is the only very high profile side.
There's no Liverpool, Inter or AC Milan that have millions around the world following regardless of how good they are.
Competitiveness in the past few years has offset that.
To me, again, it's not really Dortmund's fault as they've done an amazing job building that club but just when they seem to be getting the type "bandwagon" international crowd to follow them losing their best players to the very club they're trying to catch up to certainly isn't going to help them reach another level in terms of exposure.
It's not really Bayern's "fault" either as they want to continue to play on the level of Real, Barca etc . . .
But, again, the best thing that could happen for the Bundesliga would be for clubs like Shalke, Leverkussen etc that have bigger names to step up and not seem as distant a challenger as say, Fiorentina is to Juventus.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 5:18 pm
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