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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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yea you keep trying to troll the braves fans that aren't dumbasses



Dude cut him a little slack, I'm about to get kicked off the Rant because people can't realize Les Miles is an offensive moron






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bigpapamac
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


I'm gonna go check that out





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volfan30
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


There is no correlation between K rate and wins/losses.





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TH03
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


well to be fair, if you're posting on the rant, you're probably one of the dumbasses





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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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There is no correlation between K rate and wins/losses.



I'll be the first to say that league leaders in K's is the most overrated stat (pitchers) but there is a line that you can cross where K's are detrimental to your team......we are WAY past that. Past Braves teams that lost in the postseason that caused this whole "choke" mentality weren't nearly this bad or this unclutch.

We just need to get it fixed and look for a contact hitter on the trade market, and before the trade deadline prices increase cost.






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SouljaBreauxTellEm
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


Can't wait to get Jason Heyward back so he can add to the cause of whiffs.





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beatbammer
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


Thank goodness we have that Dan Uggla in the every day lineup though.

No telling where we'd be without him.






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volfan30
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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I'll be the first to say that league leaders in K's is the most overrated stat (pitchers) but there is a line that you can cross where K's are detrimental to your team......we are WAY past that


How is it detrimental if it doesn't affect wins and losses?






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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


When you K 10-17 times a game it affects the wins and losses

A divergent of a couple here and there won't hurt us against good pitchers but we can't keep having double digit K games and a lack of clutch hitting.

Those 2 things combined will doom us regardless if our pitching is lights out, which it hasn't been.

We went out and tried to make an un-clutch offense that had a history of .200 hitters better by signing more hitters that strikeout and seem to be hitting less than .200. And we don't have a Chipper Jones in the lineup that was at least semi clutch even at 40.






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SouljaBreauxTellEm
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


Still in first.

It's early, and that was a good team on the road. But heck they even lost 3 straight to San Diego, 2 straight to the pathetic Phillies.. and dropped a series to the awful D-backs. It's baseball. Braves just won the prior series on the road versus the Reds. Yet all these cats coming out the woodwork like a gang bang in a sausage fest to hate on the Bravos. When do Braves fan ever resort to such pathetic, no life, antics? I can't wait for that team to get trounced, so we can all blow our loads.. as if our happiness depends upon them losing.

Braves will win the next 4 straight series coming up.



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TH03
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


yea but there's the whole thing where K rates don't affect W/L. We can win 40-0 and still have 27 strikeouts





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Hurricane Mike
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I'm gonna go check that out


You don't really wanna check that out. A guy that I had respected as an LSU poster has called me out a couple times and this time he did it on a subject that I don't remotely see as debatable, so it's guns blazing






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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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yea but there's the whole thing where K rates don't affect W/L. We can win 40-0 and still have 27 strikeouts



Where are you pulling that stat from though






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volfan30
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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When you K 10-17 times a game it affects the wins and losses



The AL team with the record for most strikeouts in a season all-time (2012 A's) went 94-68.

The NL team with the record for most strikeouts in a season all-time (2010 Diamondbacks) went 65-97.

Additionally, there has been ZERO correlation found that shows a strikeout reduces or improves win expectancy over the course of a 162 game season.

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A divergent of a couple here and there won't hurt us against good pitchers but we can't keep having double digit K games and a lack of clutch hitting.



Our strikeout rate was almost exactly the same during our 12-1 start as it has been during our current 9-15 stretch.

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Those 2 things combined will doom us regardless if our pitching is lights out, which it hasn't been.



It was lights out early and has fallen off in recent weeks, which is the real reason for our struggles, not the K rate that has been a constant since game 1.

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We went out and tried to make an un-clutch offense that had a history of .200 hitters better by signing more hitters that strikeout and seem to be hitting less than .200. And we don't have a Chipper Jones in the lineup that was at least semi clutch even at 40.



The most clutch player on our team last year was Dan Uggla

LINK

Who are the .200 hitters we had last year and who are the ones we went out and signed?






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volfan30
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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Where are you pulling that stat from though



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First, I looked at the data to see how strikeouts by batters affected team wins, since this was the question being posed by Olney and Stark. I found a coefficient of determination, or R², which was R² = 0.00655 . What this tells me is that 0.0655% of team wins are explained by batter strikeouts, which is a very weak correlation. I would conclude there is no statistical relationship between batter strikeouts and team wins.


LINK

This is a pretty simple look at things. Most studies I've seen have found that batter strikeouts explain between 0.05 and 0.1% of team wins.

As the post I linked touched on briefly, most people believe pitcher strikeouts are more important to a team's W/L record, but still showing only a very slight correlation.






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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


We went out and signed BJ who hits under .200

And I think we both know that having games where we strike out double digits and can't hit with RISP is going to cost us a lot of games.

That 12-1 start is a small sample size and that's when I got criticized for calling out the offense, low and behold we tanked after that.

We need a contact hitter, that has proven himself enough where he won't fold under a Braves coaching staff. Out hitting coach ability over the last few years has proven non-existant.






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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


You just had to pull the R2 right after my Statistics Final

I'm not gonna believe that stat for now because I've watched enough baseball to cause me to believe that striking out as much as we do and not hitting with RISP is more important than the 0,1, and 2 runs a game we are putting up. I feel like we have Andruw Jones in half of our lineup.



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volfan30
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


You are simplifying things way too much. Many contact hitters are absolutely god awful.

Hell, the guy who strikes out the least in all of baseball is Placido Polanco and he is horrendous.

Fewer strikeouts=more double plays and fewer walks. There is definite correlation in both instances.

There are going to be situations where strikeouts hurt over the course of a season, but having contact kings like Placido Polanco or Maicer Izturis is not any better.



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Hurricane Mike
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


I'm not gonna argue this any further for now

But could you please go take care of Latarian in the Braves hate thread, I saw he just posted again and I refuse to read it






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OBUDan
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re: The ATL Thread May 12. Braves try and even series with Giants.


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I am with you but if you don't suspend Angel, you can't suspend Wally



Ah, I thought I heard they suspended him.






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