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U.S. Govt Claims control of 3D Printed Gun


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Wow

Just claim it?

Whats does the govt claim next?



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udtiger
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I smell a lawsuit.





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Glaims control


Well at least they didn't claim it.






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well that didn't take long





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U.S. Govt Claims control of information



FIFY

Since he isn't offering anything but information.

I'm sure it is for our protection.

Thank you for caring so much Uncle Sam!






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Yeah, I don't get how they can do this...what is the govt's legal position?...it is, in my view, a free speech issue more than anything.





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lsuroadie
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There's a 5 pg thread already floating somewhere





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Puck82
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Illegal seizure/confiscation lawsuit coming.





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ponger3d
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Can any of the lawyers on the board explain how the government can do that?





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it is, in my view, a free speech issue more than anything.

it is an interesting philosophical-legal debate for sure...as technology becomes more accessible/distributable, at what point does it stop being speech and become action? the flow of information has reduced the impact of experts across the board, which rapidly expands the base of people who must be regulated now






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I'm not really versed in firearms laws but this is more of a free speech issue...basically if the govt can do this they can seize the Anarchists Cookbook among many, many other things.





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lsuroadie
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They took the plans down under the exporting of weapons technology language the DOD is allowed to use






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it is an interesting philosophical-legal debate for sure...as technology becomes more accessible/distributable, at what point does it stop being speech and become action?


I could understand the Govt getting involved if he was actually fabricating firearms and exporting them, then the regulations they are citing would come into play... But he's not, he is just giving info on how to make one.

Same as if I drew a blue print of a basic gun and posted the picture on the net, would I be in the same situation?

Why doesn't the govt ban all chemistry books, since someone could make a bomb with the info in them






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which rapidly expands the base of people who must be regulated now


It will become to broad and too expensive for any government to keep up with it, IMO






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Mohican
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it is an interesting philosophical-legal debate for sure..



At this point, I don't see how there is any debate. There are no laws against uploading your personal file that you created onto the internet.

The government just haphazardly seized his property... or they "convinced" him to take it down.

The feds can't just make up laws as they go.






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GeauxxxTigers23
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It's official. We live under the thumb of tyranny now.





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On Thursday, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org, while it reviews the files for compliance with export control laws for weapons known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.


Such total bull shite.






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SlowFlowPro
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Same as if I drew a blue print of a basic gun and posted the picture on the net, would I be in the same situation?

that is the issue

this is a blueprint in essence, but unlike most other blueprints, you need no technical abilities or knowledge to build the gun. however, you DO need a highly specific and expensive piece of machinery






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The information has already been distributed. They're not really accomplishing anything by forcing him to take it down.

I'm curious to see if the FedGov will eventually begin prosecuting people that host/upload the file in an effort to curb distribution. That'll be fun.






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SlowFlowPro
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Such total bull shite.

yeah you can violate EXPORT laws without shipping a tangible good. sounds like a stretch

this is also a good example of the failure of regulation. regulations are reactionary and cannot compete with the private market in terms of speed. what was a regulation previously is no longer a valid regulation today. but the law still tries to use old regulations to apply to new ideas/goods, which creates a shitty situation






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