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FMJ vs. Bi metal AR .223

Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:06 pm
Just saw some bad reviews on the bi metal.

Buy?
Stay away from?
I know many of you shoot AR's ...

Posted by hypnos
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:12 pm to
Bi metal does not hurt your rifle. It will however hurt ranges, which is why some indoor ranges dont like it.
Posted by Springfield XD
Member since Feb 2013
1782 posts
Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:16 pm to
It does wear barrels and extractors faster, but not much. Usually the price advantage will buy you barrels faster than you wear them out.

Shoot all you want.
Posted by hypnos
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

It does wear barrels and extractors faster, but not much. Usually the price advantage will buy you barrels faster than you wear them out.

Shoot all you want.


Were talking 5-7 thousand rounds here. Average Joe isnt sending that much lead down range.
Posted by bapple
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:24 pm to
I'm confused as to what the OP is asking.

Brass cased vs steel cased?

Or standard FMJ vs. penetrator rounds (green tip)?
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

I'm confused
me too..I know little about this.

I see them selling Bi Metal steel I guess, it looks gray.
And FMJ Brass I would assume...

Have no clue what penetrator rounds means....
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:33 pm to
Bi-metal refers to the bullet, not the casing, unless someone is using the term incorrectly or lacking specificity.
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48397 posts
Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:36 pm to
quote:

Bi-metal refers to the bullet, not the casing,
now I'm more confused
Posted by Springfield XD
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:41 pm to
quote:

Bi-metal refers to the bullet, not the casing, unless someone is using the term incorrectly or lacking specificity.



But doesn't most steel-cased ammo have bi-metal bullets?
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:51 pm to
So steel case is cheaper than brass case?
Is there more mis-fires or hang up with the steel?
Posted by Springfield XD
Member since Feb 2013
1782 posts
Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

So steel case is cheaper than brass case?


Yes

quote:

Is there more mis-fires or hang up with the steel?


Probably. For the most part, steel ammo is intended for cheap plinking. Certainly they lower their quality standards a bit to achieve that cheapness, NTTAWWT.
This post was edited on 5/5/13 at 6:53 pm
Posted by bapple
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 6:55 pm to
I know of 4 different metals used in bullet production - copper, lead, nickel, and steel. There are other alloys used in some like depleted uranium in the 30mm canon on the A10 Warthog and the core of the penetrator round that is made of a combination of metals.

Obviously copper and lead are the two most common types commonly seen. There are also all-lead (cast) and all copper (like Barnes) bullets on the market too.

Nickel-plating is used as a jacket on the Winchester Silvertip pistol rounds. But the only advantage that they serve is to be much less corrosive than copper jacketing. In seeing tests, they have a greater chance of separating from the lead core.



The military 5.56 "green-tip" is the penetrator round. It has a copper jacket coating a steel penetrator on top and an alloy in the rest of the bullet. This is why certain ranges like to see the type of 5.56 rounds you shoot at the range so you don't damage their backdrop.





The oddball of the group interestingly is Coonan 357 Vampire rounds. They have done a promotional thing recently where they actually coated some rounds with a true silver jacket. These are very expensive and obviously not true range or defense rounds, but they sure are cool.





As to brass and steel cases, neither of them will hurt your rifle but the steel-cased ammo may be a bit harder on your extractor and ejector. The steel also has a greater chance of jamming into your chamber, but this is a pretty rare occurrence.
This post was edited on 5/5/13 at 6:57 pm
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 7:00 pm to
Bi metal refers specifically to the jacket. Steel with a copper wash. Fmj is typically a copper jacket. Steel jacket would be slightly harder on the barrel and cause more sparks at the muzzle.

Not really an issue is you have a quality rifle, but everyone has an opinion.
Posted by Cadello
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/13 at 7:58 pm to
Have a DPMS and I'm not sure if I'm keeping or sell/trading it.
My buddy has the exact gun with the Trijicon scope and as I fish 95% of the time it may not be feasible for me to keep it..
Thanks everyone for all the info...
Posted by Cadello
Eunice
Member since Dec 2007
48397 posts
Posted on 5/5/13 at 7:59 pm to
I do like the vampire rounds...you never know
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