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re: It's time for another NBA All-Time Team thread (sort of)
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:53 pm to onmymedicalgrind
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:53 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How about the other 3?
nick averaged 9 points with 40% fg% in the remaining three games.
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Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:58 pm to molsusports
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nick averaged 9 points with 40% fg% in the remaining three games.
When did I ever say they lost because of Shaq? I just noted that Hakeem > Shaq in that series. It was one of many position battles the Rockets won, hence the sweep.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 8:59 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I just noted that Hakeem > Shaq in that series.
which is obviously wrong when you know:
Shaq
28 PPG
.5945 FG% (44 FGM/74 FGA)
12.5 TRB/Game
6.25 Assists/Game
2.5 Blocks/Game
0.25 Steals/Game
Hakeem
32.75 PPG
.4827 FG% (56 FGM/116 FGA)
11.5 TRB/Game
5.5 Assists/Game
2 Blocks/Game
2 Steals/Game
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:04 pm to molsusports
How do those numbers support Shaq > Hakeem?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:04 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Nah, Hakeem was better until around 96ish, then Shaq took over. And even if he wasn't, to say "easily" discredits your argument. It was very close.
You're wrong. I'm just trying to figure out if you know you are wrong and are fricking around or are just dick riding The Dream. Also, you could be completely ignorant to the fact that you are wrong and truly believe you are right, in which case
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:06 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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How do those numbers support Shaq > Hakeem?
more rebounds, more assists, more blocks, much better shooting percentage/efficiency
how would those numbers lead you to any other conclusion?
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:15 pm to molsusports
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more rebounds
4 more rebounds...over the entire series
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more assists
3 more assists....over the entire series
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more blocks
2 more blocks....over the entire series
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much better shooting percentage/efficiency
Shaq didn't take a shot outside of the paint, of course his FG% is higher. Hakeem had *gasp* a midrange game and used that to his advantage to pull Shaq away from the rim on jumpers.
You must also believe Kareem, Oscar and Lebron > MJ if you're this much of a stat guy, right?
This post was edited on 5/4/13 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:17 pm to Khal Drogo
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You're wrong. I'm just trying to figure out if you know you are wrong and are fricking around or are just dick riding The Dream. Also, you could be completely ignorant to the fact that you are wrong and truly believe you are right, in which case
A) get off Shaqs nuts, please
B) post less, please
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:20 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Shaq didn't take a shot outside of the paint, of course his FG% is higher. Hakeem had *gasp* a midrange game and used that to his advantage to pull Shaq away from the rim on jumpers.
2 points is 2 points no matter if you are dunking or taking it from 19 feet. Shaq shot 11% better than Hakeem did. The Rockets won that series because of what their supporting cast did, not what Hakeem did. They had stud 3 point shooters all around him. Shaq's supporting cast shat the bed.
Similar thing happened in last year's NBA Finals. LeBron played basically to his averages and Durant played better than his. Why did the Heat win? Supporting cast stepped up.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:31 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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much better shooting percentage/efficiency
Shaq didn't take a shot outside of the paint, of course his FG% is higher. Hakeem had *gasp* a midrange game and used that to his advantage to pull Shaq away from the rim on jumpers.
The objective is to be efficient. If you are efficient you score more times per possession and increase your chances of winning the game based on your play. There are no points awarded for taking a harder shot from a worse position on the floor unless you are taking a 3 point shot.
Hakeem had fewer rebounds, fewer blocks, fewer asists and was a lot less efficient than Shaq in teh Finals. As I've pointed out before Hakeem's efficiency dropped significantly in the finals compared to the rest of the playoffs that year (whereas Shaq's FG% stayed obscenely high (60%) in the Finals as well as teh rest of the playoffs).
FWIW this suggests both that Hakeem did not slow down Shaq but also that Shaq did slow down Hakeem
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:50 pm to Khal Drogo
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The Rockets won that series because of what their supporting cast did, not what Hakeem did
Your right, Hakeem's 33 pts and 12 rebounds didn't make a difference.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:53 pm to molsusports
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The objective is to be efficient
Wrong. The objective is to score more points than your opponent, and BTW Hakeem scored more points than Shaq (funny you didnt mention that, though). According to your logic, Shaq is better than MJ because he was infinitely more efficient from the field.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:55 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Your right, Hakeem's 33 pts and 12 rebounds didn't make a difference.
First of all, learn to spell.
Second of all, I never said his production didn't make a difference.
Third of all, check what Hakeem's supporting cast did compared to Shaq's.
Fourth of all, frick off.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:56 pm to Khal Drogo
I don't know bro. Hakeem's total shooting percentage was pretty beast in that series
Posted on 5/4/13 at 9:59 pm to genro
McHale and Walton would be on my team.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:00 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Wrong. The objective is to score more points than your opponent, and BTW Hakeem scored more points than Shaq
Hakeem made 12 more baskets.... on 42 more attempts.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:03 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Wrong. The objective is to score more points than your opponent, and BTW Hakeem scored more points than Shaq (funny you didnt mention that, though).
well we all already admit that Shaq had more rebounds, assists, and blocks than Hakeem so we're now down to talking about the scoring.
Seeing as Hakeem (in the Finals) literally took an extra 10.5 shots per game to score an 4.75 points it seems like the Magic not only had worse supporting players they also did a much worse job of getting the ball to the one guy who was unstoppable.
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:03 pm to Khal Drogo
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First of all, learn to spell.
Second of all, I never said his production didn't make a difference.
Third of all, check what Hakeem's supporting cast did compared to Shaq's.
Firstly, I didn't make a spelling error. It was a grammatical error
Learn the difference And you said they won the series "not because of what Hakeem did," which I found silly. Sure his supporting cast stepped up. But so did Hakeem, the Finals MVP.
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Fourth of all, frick off
Damn, why so angry? Not even 20 posts in, too? You're off to a great start
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:05 pm to Khal Drogo
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Hakeem made 12 more baskets.... on 42 more attempts.
Why did Hakeem take 42 more shots than Shaq? Maybe he was more aggressive
Posted on 5/4/13 at 10:07 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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Why did Hakeem take 42 more shots than Shaq? Maybe he was more aggressive
More like his teammates gave him the ball more than Shaq's. The Rockets also outrebounded the Magic in that series as well. They were eating up Offensive Rebounds which equals more field goal attempts.
Hakeem may have won the Finals MVP, but he wasn't the best player or performer in that series.
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