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souldog
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4) Or the right that is inherent in the document that granted the federal government power. Read The Federalist Papers. After, I suggest Thomas DiLorenzo's works.


May I suggest you read about a thing called The Civil War. You can have DiLorenzo and anybody else you want to throw in that bag. I'll take Abraham Lincoln and win every time. You can have the field.

Whether you want to admit it or not, you are living more in Lincoln's United States than any other person's since the Consitution was signed.
You don't like that, tough. You lost, history has shown that, so read whatever YOU want and get over it.






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TerryDawg03
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May I suggest you read about a thing called The Civil War. You can have DiLorenzo and anybody else you want to throw in that bag. I'll take Abraham Lincoln and win every time. You can have the field. Whether you want to admit it or not, you are living more in Lincoln's United States than any other person's since the Consitution was signed. You don't like that, tough. You lost, history has shown that, so read whatever YOU want and get over it.


I've read about the War Between the States. I didn't "lose" anything. Simply stating history and the way it has been taught. You can have Lincoln all you want. Study his agenda, his methods, and what he actually did to "win" the war and why. I'm not bitter that the North won a war 150 years ago. Just shaking my head at how much Lincoln has been mythologized.






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souldog
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I've read about the War Between the States. I didn't "lose" anything. Simply stating history and the way it has been taught. You can have Lincoln all you want. Study his agenda, his methods, and what he actually did to "win" the war and why. I'm not bitter that the North won a war 150 years ago. Just shaking my head at how much Lincoln has been mythologized.


Yep, and I am pretty sure that the greater majority of Americans will vehemently disagree with you. But, then, again, we're probably just not on your cerebral level.

Go ahead, put your "advanced" thoughts on political interpretation out there for all of us to see and pick over. Why don't you write an "expose" of Lincoln and have people read it. Yes, have EVERYBODY read it, not just the historians which, I am assuming, have it all wrong.

We're waiting with baited breath for you to clear things up for us. That we've had things all wrong about this Lincoln guy, so mythologized.

Please put it out there. We're so waiting. We... we really are.






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ChewyDante
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By the very meaning of the word: indivisible = incapable of being divided. The South could not secede according to that pledge, for example, because they were legally incapable of it. That's why I asked when and how this notion of "indivisibility" became a Southern ideal.





You are so full of shite. You made no mention of it as an "ideal" until I described it as such. An ideal can be something that one strives for or wishes to perpetuate but not something that they are bound to legally or morally regardless of context. It is no more a "Southern" ideal than it is an ideal to any population in any general sense. World peace is an ideal. That doesn't make one a hypocrite for engaging in warfare if it is deemed just or necessary.

And when was it an "American" ideal? Before or after the colonists became "traitors" or "secessionists" to their home country?

And the obvious elephant in the room that the pledge has nothing to do with the Civil War or America's founding principles whatsoever. You are such a dishonest hack.



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ChewyDante
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Whether you want to admit it or not, you are living more in Lincoln's United States than any other person's since the Consitution was signed.
You don't like that, tough. You lost, history has shown that, so read whatever YOU want and get over it.


So your whole argument is that might makes right? That's not what's being discussed here. No one is questioning what the prevailing power structure is or isn't. Apparently the whole discussion has gone right over your head because you don't like the opinions of those that don't mesh with your own.

You have seriously exposed yourself as small minded with that post, which of course doesn't actually rebut any of the ideas you seem to take issue with.






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ChewyDante
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Go ahead, put your "advanced" thoughts on political interpretation out there for all of us to see and pick over. Why don't you write an "expose" of Lincoln and have people read it. Yes, have EVERYBODY read it, not just the historians which, I am assuming, have it all wrong.

We're waiting with baited breath for you to clear things up for us. That we've had things all wrong about this Lincoln guy, so mythologized.


And you seem to be confusing history and political ideology. Amazing that you are that completely dense.

I guess history will show one of the current political parties to be right and the other wrong as well, no? I would guess whichever party achieves the greatest success will be deemed historically correct in their ideology. Funny how that always seems to work, huh?






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souldog
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So your whole argument is that might makes right? That's not what's being discussed here. No one is questioning what the prevailing power structure is or isn't. Apparently the whole discussion has gone right over your head because you don't like the opinions of those that don't mesh with your own.


Really, ah, Chewy. Is that the case?

Answer me this... were the Southern states right or wrong in exposing the belief that they had the right to own slaves?

I'm quite certain that your "large brain" can answer that either yes or no.






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ChewyDante
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Really, ah, Chewy. Is that the case?


Yes. Really.

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Answer me this... were the Southern states right or wrong in exposing the belief that they had the right to own slaves?


Do you mean espousing? And this is not relevant to the discussion. Simply because one side won does not invalidate the merit of the vanquished and their ideology (of which slavery is not the ideological subject of discussion). And an answer from me would quite clearly be an anachronistic value judgment, irrelevant to the discussion at hand as illustrated. But I'm sure you'd prefer to make the issue about slavery so you can more easily demagogue and distract from the actual subject matter.

If the South had won the war, would it validate the morality of slavery or invalidate the abolitionist ideology in future discussions in the South? Quite simply put, no. The political forces that would wish to perpetuate the institution of slavery would likely argue yes because it would be politically favorable for them to do so aka the prevailing power structure. But it is not intellectually honest nor persuasive to their motivated and reason oriented opposition. It is not intellectually valid.

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I'm quite certain that your "large brain" can answer that either yes or no.


I swear there is a minute number of people on either side of the ideological spectrum that I find consistent and objective political discussion with. It's difficult on mass sites because the hacks will always blow it up or take it off course.






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souldog
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I swear there is a minute number of people on either side of the ideological spectrum that I find consistent and objective political discussion with. It's difficult on mass sites because the hacks will always blow it up or take it off course.






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souldog
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What the hell are you talking about? Did you ever take an English course?

You sound like a kook with a dictionary and half a brain. Get it together and write something coherent for Chrissakes!






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ChewyDante
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What the hell are you talking about? Did you ever take an English course?

You sound like a kook with a dictionary and half a brain. Get it together and write something coherent for Chrissakes!






Typical. You are yet to make a substantive post or one that directly addresses or counters the ideas put forth by others that you seem to take issue with. Can you actually make an argument?

And I've written on a graduate level. So I guess I did so-so in my English courses. Make more worthless comments devoid of any substance. I guess perhaps it's therapeutic for you.






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souldog
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Typical. You are yet to make a substantive post or one that directly addresses or counters the ideas put forth by others that you seem to take issue with. Can you actually make an argument?


Goodnight, Chewy. Mom, will make breakfast for you in the morning and you'll feel better.






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ChewyDante
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So no, you can't. Thanks for verifying what was already quite apparent to all here. Now the discussion can go forth without anyone bothering to waste time on thinking you to be worthy of engaging.





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souldog
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So no, you can't. Thanks for verifying what was already quite apparent to all here. Now the discussion can go forth without anyone bothering to waste time on thinking you to be worthy of engaging.



Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. I understand now. You were right all along. I was wrong, sleep tight my little hero. Here's your teddy. It's going to be alright.






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LSUBrad5277
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that at the critical juncture which was to decide whether slavery should blaze up afresh


not the main reason for the civil war.


I repeat the pledge of alligance as a proud american who wishes to honor all the men and women who scraficed their lives for my freedom (some of them family members).

I have a confederate flag that honors my heritage as a southenor. To me it doesn't stand for slavery but for people who fought for their lands and freedom from a government wishing to oppress them slavery was part of the bigger problems facing america at that time not the only problem.

If you don't believe in america and the right to free speech and the constitution and give thanks for those who have died so we could be free and enjoy our freedoms then get the frick out and go to another country we don't want or need you here.






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rb
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We're waiting with baited breath for you to clear things up for us. That we've had things all wrong about this Lincoln guy, so mythologized. 


Your last name Lincoln or weird 19th century fetish?






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Dark Tiger
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Rex


Please stop using up air that could be used by humans...thanks!






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goatmilker
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Are those who defend the CSA's "right to secede" hypocrites


Horrible thread is poorly worded.
Much has been written and debated over the right to secede from the Union because of the LACK OF LANGUAGE IN OUR CONSTITUTION THAT WOULD PREVENT IT.
Because someone believes in a legal right to behave or act in a certain way does not mean they condone that act or speach.
Maybe you have heard of the gay marriage debate.

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Are Southerners who fly confederate flags from their trailer porches


How stereotypical and hateful of you.

So flying a Zambian flag is hypocritical if they are proudly a American citizen?

You have to much hate and ignorance in you.






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CITWTT
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They defend something that occurred over a century and a half ago, they live in the present day world, so no Rex it is just your lame attempt at shite stirring that needs questioning.





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Rex
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not the main reason for the civil war.


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I repeat the pledge of alligance as a proud american who wishes to honor all the men and women who scraficed their lives for my freedom (some of them family members).


Do you pay attention to the actual words?
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I have a confederate flag that honors my heritage as a southenor.

The Confederate flag was devised and flown in open rebellion and warfare against the United States. Are you SURE that's the symbol of Southern heritage you want to display?






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