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ATL Thread: Opening Day April 26th, 1995 Giants at Braves
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:18 am
Grissom 8
Blauser 6
Chipper 5
McGriff 3
Justice 9
Lopez 2
Kelly 7
Lemke 4
Maddux 1
Sure doesn’t seem like 18 years ago. It’s time to bring the trophy back.
It’s easy to say that this year’s roster is the best we've seen since the 95 roster. This year’s rotation doesn't quite match up to 95’s but the offense should make up for it.
It’s really a no-brainer championship this year.
Would you replace anyone from today's team with anyone from this line-up, besides pitchers? I like what Gattis is doing right now but I'd like to see Javy in today's line-up.
Fk a Gnat
Fk a Philly
Blauser 6
Chipper 5
McGriff 3
Justice 9
Lopez 2
Kelly 7
Lemke 4
Maddux 1
Sure doesn’t seem like 18 years ago. It’s time to bring the trophy back.
It’s easy to say that this year’s roster is the best we've seen since the 95 roster. This year’s rotation doesn't quite match up to 95’s but the offense should make up for it.
It’s really a no-brainer championship this year.
Would you replace anyone from today's team with anyone from this line-up, besides pitchers? I like what Gattis is doing right now but I'd like to see Javy in today's line-up.
Fk a Gnat
Fk a Philly
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Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:20 am to Edible Dirt
quote:
Would you replace anyone from today's team with anyone from this line-up, besides pitchers? I
uh.....yeah.
I'd take Marquis over BJ, Justice over Heyward, McGriff over Freeman, Chipper over Juan/Chris J, and possibly Lopez over Gattis---but Gattis may be just as good.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:23 am to Moustache
Obviously Chipper. I'm not quite sure why I didn't mention him.
I like Heyward and BJ though even though they are shitting the bed. I'll keep them in.
I like Heyward and BJ though even though they are shitting the bed. I'll keep them in.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:25 am to Edible Dirt
Klesko?
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:26 am to Edible Dirt
quote:
I like Heyward and BJ though even though they are shitting the bed. I'll keep them in.
Marquis stole more bases than BJ and had slightly less or close to equal power. He also hit for higher average and struck out less. Grissom is clearly better.
Heyward can't hold Justice's jock except defensively, which is overrated.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:27 am to hiltacular
quote:
Klesko?
played against RH pitching only. Other than that, he platooned with someone.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:28 am to Edible Dirt
McGriff and Chipper for sure. Justice/Heyward could go either way.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:29 am to volfan30
quote:
Justice/Heyward could go either way.
Depends on which Heyward shows up. 2010 and 2012 or 2011 and 2013. Heyward has thus far looked completely lost and AA caliber this year at the plate.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:30 am to Moustache
I agree with you and I'm aware the numbers are better. I was a huge Justice fan. I think I just like the outfield we have right now. Numbers aside, they are exciting.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:36 am to Moustache
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Heyward can't hold Justice's jock except defensively, which is overrated.
Ok.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:54 am to volfan30
quote:
Justice/Heyward could go either way.
Justice's career averages are better than Heyward's career highs in most offensive categories. Plus, Justice was in his prime in the early/mid 90s. Hopefully, Heyward really comes on this year, but Id take Justice right now.
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:55 am to hiltacular
OH YOU MEAN KLUTZKO
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:59 am to Moustache
quote:
Heyward has thus far looked completely lost and AA caliber this year at the plate.
It's been 9 games man, it's too early to say he's struggling "this year". We haven't even played 10 games yet
Posted on 4/12/13 at 10:59 am to Edible Dirt
quote:
Opening Day April 26th, 1995
:inb4weshouldvehadanasteriskforourWStitle
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:02 am to Master of Sinanju
quote:
but Id take Justice right now.
Ok, let's just tackle this nonsense right now.
First:
David Justice was 23 years old when he debuted in the bigs.
Jason Heyward is 23 this year... 4 years into his career.
Second:
Jason Heyward has already racked up a more valuable season than Justice EVER did (2012 based on fWAR). Further, his rookie season was worth nearly as much as Justice's career highs (which came in his mid 20s, an age Heyward is yet to reach).
Saying you'd take Justice is basically saying, "Oh, I'd take Honus Wagner over Babe Ruth" in 1919, cause "Honus' career averages are better." Just kind of a nonsense thing to say.
Heyward could very well turn out to not be as good as David Justice, though I highly doubt it, considering he's already amassed almost a third of Justice's entire career worth... by the age Justice was just starting his career.
This post was edited on 4/12/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:04 am to OBUDan
I'm not saying I'd take Justice. But you are reading WAY too much into WAR
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:07 am to Edible Dirt
damn Terry Mulholland got worked over in that game
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:19 am to Tiger1242
quote:
But you are reading WAY too much into WAR
I'm not even sure what that means. Much better than putting stock into batting average, or comparing the HR averages of a guy who played through peak years to a guy who has yet to even hit them.
It's useless to compare career averages at this point, since Heyward's first 3 seasons came at ages when Justice was playing in A, Double A and Triple A.
In fact, Justice's minor league numbers are pretty comparable to what Heyward has done in his first three seasons in the bigs.
.257/.355/.431 triple slash for Justice ages 20-23, against A, Double A, Triple A
.257/.350/.432 triple slash for Heyward ages 20-23, against A, Double A, Triple A
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:23 am to Edible Dirt
quote:
Would you replace anyone from today's team with anyone from this line-up, besides pitchers?
no one. this year's team is the GOAT
Posted on 4/12/13 at 11:32 am to OBUDan
quote:
First:
David Justice was 23 years old when he debuted in the bigs.
Jason Heyward is 23 this year... 4 years into his career.
Which is another point in Justice's favor, if the question is who would you start April 1995 Justice or April 2013 Heyward (not just who is the better overall player). JH has never slugged over .500 - DJ had 5 times at that point. JH has never had an OPS over .850 - DJ had five times. We all know Heyward leads the league in "potential", but I would start April 1995 Justice over him today.
quote:
Saying you'd take Justice is basically saying, "Oh, I'd take Honus Wagner over Babe Ruth" in 1919, cause "Honus' career averages are better." Just kind of a nonsense thing to say.
No, I'm saying I'd start the player in his prime over the guy who has not yet reached his.
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