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Great tactical read on FC Bayern's pressing
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:06 pm
Warning: Long read
Spielverlagerung is the German version of the Zonal Marking site.
A good read on how Jupp has created a monster defense from a combination of high pressing, man marking, and ignoring the offsides trap. The combination of athletic center backs and a sweeper keeper to go along with positionally astute central midfielders, particularly Javi Martinez who is one of the best in the world at maintaining possession after making a tackle.
A little snippet from the article:
Spielverlagerung is the German version of the Zonal Marking site.
A good read on how Jupp has created a monster defense from a combination of high pressing, man marking, and ignoring the offsides trap. The combination of athletic center backs and a sweeper keeper to go along with positionally astute central midfielders, particularly Javi Martinez who is one of the best in the world at maintaining possession after making a tackle.
A little snippet from the article:
quote:
Bank of four without playing the opponent offside?
As already stated: Dante and Boateng are strong in the air, excellent tacklers, and very fast on their feet – at least in long distance runs. Bayern’s offensive formation in ball possession also requires outstanding coordination, so Heynckes curbed line play (staying on the same horizontal line as it is usual in a back four). The Bavarian defenders still act as a bank and shift in orientation towards the ball, but they use man-marking again and again without provoking offsides
quote:
This scene features an extreme example. Düsseldorf tries to counter. Because of Bayern’s fluidity, the left side is left wide open. Badstuber rushes back. In this situation, two major problems may arise.
*If Boateng remains behind, the pass receiver might turn and pass into the free space on the side.
*If Dante goes forward, a blind and imprecise long ball or a standard extension into space might be dangerous.
Playing at offside is always risky. So both situatively man-mark their respective counterparts. Dante stays deeper than his opponent, offside is of no interest – if your defenders are combative and quick, a running duel or tackle 40 yards from the goal is probably more promising than hoping for an offside situation. A maximum vertical space compression is not necessary out of principle.
In this case, Boateng succeeds to do so alone, without Dante. Boateng even captures the ball in this scene. The ball is close to five additional Bayern players in the immediate vicinity – ball possession is a mere formality.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:44 pm to hendersonshands
I've read some shite on this before, Klopp has recently gotten pissed saying bayern just copied bvb's playing style. Dortmund still runs shite loads more than bayern (probably too much actually.) as great of a job that Jupp has done, I think the team is kind of lvg's brain child. He first instilled the possession system, switched Alaba to LB and started to emphasize the youth movement in general. Jupp has crafted his own style from the base possession. I think Jupps personnel management is superior to LVG the notorious arse hole. Jupp still hates kids, except for kroos who is his Leverkusen love child.
Also kind of off topic: Pep intends to give his introductory interview this summer in German. He's taking 2 language intensive classes a day in preparation
Also kind of off topic: Pep intends to give his introductory interview this summer in German. He's taking 2 language intensive classes a day in preparation
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:47 pm to Tweezy
Also off topic-- Franck is out Wednesday. But it also looks like Wilshere is out too
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:47 pm to Tweezy
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Also kind of off topic: Pep intends to give his introductory interview this summer in German. He's taking 2 language intensive classes a day in preparation
This post was edited on 3/11/13 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:49 pm to Tweezy
No Franck, no Schweiny. We got this*!
*a 4-1 loss
*a 4-1 loss
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:54 pm to Tweezy
You're right about van Gaal laying down the basic framework for this style of play to be possible. However, this pressing/counter-pressing system is uniquely Jupp.
Klopp has said in interviews that BVB didn't do well in the CL last season because they ran too much. I think they've gone a long way in fixing some of their problems but I think Bayern's pressing is a bit different from BVB's.
Bayern's entire system is predicated on highly intelligent players who are positioned perfectly 99% of the time. When other teams win the ball, they work hard to get it back but a lot of it is mental, like a safety setting up a qb.
Schweiny and Javi are able to kill a lot of counters by moving a few yards to either side and choking off the middle. With Kroos pressuring high, Mandzukic filling space and the high work rate of Muller and Ribery, teams are often forced to try to send a pass through the middle where undoubtedly Javi or Schweiny has been anticipating it. By them going in for the tackle right away, they're forcing other teams to make quick decisions.
The main thing I got from this piece is the way the backline works. The counter-pressing works so well because Lahm and Alaba are so good at shadow marking and the center backs have been very good in the tackle. Neuer's role is also laid out well in this piece. Because he's so good with his feet and so comfortable with the ball, he's able to assume a sweeper role and put immediate pressure on any striker who gets through the backline, giving the fullbacks ample time to recover.
The whole thing is very German in the way that it's almost machinelike fluidity.
Klopp has said in interviews that BVB didn't do well in the CL last season because they ran too much. I think they've gone a long way in fixing some of their problems but I think Bayern's pressing is a bit different from BVB's.
Bayern's entire system is predicated on highly intelligent players who are positioned perfectly 99% of the time. When other teams win the ball, they work hard to get it back but a lot of it is mental, like a safety setting up a qb.
Schweiny and Javi are able to kill a lot of counters by moving a few yards to either side and choking off the middle. With Kroos pressuring high, Mandzukic filling space and the high work rate of Muller and Ribery, teams are often forced to try to send a pass through the middle where undoubtedly Javi or Schweiny has been anticipating it. By them going in for the tackle right away, they're forcing other teams to make quick decisions.
The main thing I got from this piece is the way the backline works. The counter-pressing works so well because Lahm and Alaba are so good at shadow marking and the center backs have been very good in the tackle. Neuer's role is also laid out well in this piece. Because he's so good with his feet and so comfortable with the ball, he's able to assume a sweeper role and put immediate pressure on any striker who gets through the backline, giving the fullbacks ample time to recover.
The whole thing is very German in the way that it's almost machinelike fluidity.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 2:58 pm to Tweezy
Franck is out and of course Robben is a bit nicked up. Robben should start but I'll bet we see ze Powercube
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:07 pm to hendersonshands
My favorite comment on the reddit thread about Ribs being out:
JeppKay 8 points 5 hours ago
I don't speak German, but i imagine the article says Ribery doesn't matter when Bayern fricked Arsenal on home turf.
------- wumumo 39 points 4 hours ago
And Arsenal is a bit too old to get fricked by Ribery.
JeppKay 8 points 5 hours ago
I don't speak German, but i imagine the article says Ribery doesn't matter when Bayern fricked Arsenal on home turf.
------- wumumo 39 points 4 hours ago
And Arsenal is a bit too old to get fricked by Ribery.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:12 pm to hendersonshands
Thank god Ribery is out, it's a really good thing their depth on the wings is awful.
Yep, just some nobodies named Robben and Shaqiri? Never heard of em.
Yep, just some nobodies named Robben and Shaqiri? Never heard of em.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:19 pm to hendersonshands
You're right about the press and counter being Jupp no doubt. Besides the added squad depth, which cannot be understated, I think the main for the higher level of success this year is due to the teams insistence that all 11 players play in the attack and defense. I'm not as tactically astute as some of you, so that may actually be what the article is referring to as the press. I always took that to mean the team is just more proactive in regaining possession after losing it.
Regardless, mandzo has emerged has first choice and there is no denying he's more active in defense and build-up play. Dante also consistently plays a lot of passes out of the back, further demonstrating the involvement of all 11 players in attack and defense. Neuer's distribution out of the back is the catalyst for counter attacks. Lahm's ability to be amazing 99/100 times is so underrated. He allows our CB's to move forward (most of the games it seems like Dante plays more of a CB/DM role) and allows Müller to tuck in on the RW by providing overlapping runs and superb crosses (I think he has 9 assists this year)
As always though, Bastian makes the team tick. His ability to win the ball and complete a long or short pass is matched by only a select few. So long as Robery/lahm/Alaba are thundering down the flanks the counter attack will always thrive. Clinical finishing is imperative in the Bayern system. If not clinical (UCl of last) then it doesn't matter what possession or shot stats look like.
I think the style is a Barcelona/BVB/Bayern hybrid. There are elements of other teams, but that's the nature of sport. Some teams are on the 'cutting edge' and others are not.
Regardless, mandzo has emerged has first choice and there is no denying he's more active in defense and build-up play. Dante also consistently plays a lot of passes out of the back, further demonstrating the involvement of all 11 players in attack and defense. Neuer's distribution out of the back is the catalyst for counter attacks. Lahm's ability to be amazing 99/100 times is so underrated. He allows our CB's to move forward (most of the games it seems like Dante plays more of a CB/DM role) and allows Müller to tuck in on the RW by providing overlapping runs and superb crosses (I think he has 9 assists this year)
As always though, Bastian makes the team tick. His ability to win the ball and complete a long or short pass is matched by only a select few. So long as Robery/lahm/Alaba are thundering down the flanks the counter attack will always thrive. Clinical finishing is imperative in the Bayern system. If not clinical (UCl of last) then it doesn't matter what possession or shot stats look like.
I think the style is a Barcelona/BVB/Bayern hybrid. There are elements of other teams, but that's the nature of sport. Some teams are on the 'cutting edge' and others are not.
Posted on 3/11/13 at 3:22 pm to hendersonshands
I'm not sure who will start, I would guess Müller and Robben, but maybe shaq n Robben since shaq has more ability on the left. Jupp has been featuring shaq at CaM the last few times though. I like him at CAM better I think, but he has qualities to be a top 5 winger in the world one day.
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