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Grevis Vasquez is lights out this year.

Gordon is a max contract "top 3 SG"

Aminu is having a career year.

Ryan Anderson is a top 10 PF in the league.

Davis should be rookie of the year.

Lopez is having a career year.

There is no excuse to blow 17 and 20 point leads with those guys. Sure, the players deserve some of the onus, but players don't get fired, coaches do.






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I'll give you Vasquez

Aminu is still pretty awful

At least he's gone from "holy shite how is this guy on an NBA roster" awful to "wow, I can't believe that guy gets as many minutes as he does" awful

But seriously, outside of Vasquez who has Monty really developed?

I keep hearing all these wonderful development stories, but where are they? Vasquez is good, but the second best success story is that he has made Aminu only slightly terrible? That doesn't do much for me


Dude, we get it, you don't think he's a coach good, bad, or even average.

And Aminu is coming into his own, he is playing in his own lane (I don't see how you don't realize that) and knows what he is good at and continues doing that well (rebounds, dunks, defense, etc.)

And he is one of the reasons why (or people may be lying, you know, since he's super shitty) Batum and Outlaw got better and a lot others in Portland, but those two are the standouts



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And Aminu is coming into his own, he is playing in his own lane (I don't see how you don't realize that) and knows what he is good at and continues doing that well (rebounds, dunks, defense, etc.)
I like Aminu as a player, I really do

But the dude gets by on pure athleticism. He has literally zero offensive skill. None.

He can run fast and jump high. That's it.






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Grevis Vasquez is lights out this year.

Gordon is a max contract "top 3 SG"

Aminu is having a career year.

Ryan Anderson is a top 10 PF in the league.

Davis should be rookie of the year.

Lopez is having a career year.

There is no excuse to blow 17 and 20 point leads with those guys. Sure, the players deserve some of the onus, but players don't get fired, coaches do.



I did say fire him, fire and release them all, correct?

And there is no excuse for the team to blow these leads, no excuse at all.

My thing is, a coach can rally only do so much, he draws up the plays and tell them to run them, but players play ( ) and most of them has been playing bball for years.

It comes a time where pride steps in and makes you not want to continue bleeding all over the court.







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he has proven nothing in 3 seasons...people keep saying the talent sucks and we'll be able to judge him next year, but a lot of people said that last season about this season too.

His tough on defense philosophy was intriguing, even though his lineups and offense have always been puzzling. Now the team is terrible on D, too.

The end of the last two games have been colossal coaching clusterfricks, and like I said, Monty proved nothing before that.

Taking over Bower's team, getting the 7 seed, and getting whooped in the first round didn't really do it for me.

I'm not gonna say FIRE MONTY, but he needs to get his shite
together or changes need to be made.









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I like Aminu as a player, I really do

But the dude gets by on pure athleticism. He has literally zero offensive skill. None.

He can run fast and jump high. That's it.



A lot of players excelled in the NBA with just athleticism. And a lot of players lasted a while in the NBA with a skillset similar to his. If he continues the way he is going, he will be good. Someone said like Rodman, and I kind of agree. Isn't he like 21 or 22 or something? He just has to continue training, practicing, working on himself.






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he has proven nothing in 3 seasons...people keep saying the talent sucks and we'll be able to judge him next year, but a lot of people said that last season about this season too.


Not many (if any) said that, this team isn't even complete. They barely have a bench, you can't really and use your starters for the duration of the game.

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Taking over Bower's team, getting the 7 seed, and getting whooped in the first round didn't really do it for me.



Question, when Bower was that coach, did they make the playoffs? and I continue to see people say "he's done this and that and that does nothing for me", when did coached start doing things to impress a single person? I just think that's hilarious.

You're right though, he does need to get his shite together, and that's really all that a person can say ya know






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nd getting whooped in the first round


they didn't exactly go down lightly in that series.

and for danman hating on aminu earlier...his 12 points, 16 boards, 3 blocks, 2 steals, and assist say hold mah dick






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and for danman hating on aminu earlier...his 12 points, 16 boards, 3 blocks, 2 steals, and assist say hold mah dick
I'm not "hating" on him. I just said earlier I really like him as a player.

I'm just calling him what he is. A pretty below average NBA player with zero offensive skill and ridiculous athletic ability.






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he has proven nothing in 3 seasons...people keep saying the talent sucks and we'll be able to judge him next year, but a lot of people said that last season about this season too.

His tough on defense philosophy was intriguing, even though his lineups and offense have always been puzzling. Now the team is terrible on D, too.

The end of the last two games have been colossal coaching clusterfricks, and like I said, Monty proved nothing before that.

Taking over Bower's team, getting the 7 seed, and getting whooped in the first round didn't really do it for me.

I'm not gonna say FIRE MONTY, but he needs to get his shite
together or changes need to be made.




we've been disappearing in the 4th quarter for some reason. If we hit even 2-3 shots in the 4th tonight we wouldn't ave lost.

My main problem is that he won't call a timeout and make the necessary changes.







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I still think aminu can grow as a player.

He's found his niche imo






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Aminu has definitely been a surprise this year





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Question, when Bower was that coach, did they make the playoffs?


37 wins...Paul missed 40 games.






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drake20
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nd I continue to see people say "he's done this and that and that does nothing for me", when did coached start doing things to impress a single person? I just think that's hilarious.


what?

...i was stating my opinion, not suggesting that Monty should live to impress me. I think that was pretty clear.

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a single person?


Monty probably does a lot of things to impress Tom Benson (a single person).

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he does need to get his shite together, and that's really all that a person can say ya know


agreed.






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they didn't exactly go down lightly in that series.


it wasn't a bad effort, but not impressive enough to give Monty so much slack.

JMO






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Aminu has been the most improved player on the team. More so than GV





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No a lot of people say that quote. I wasn't necessarily talking about you though just talking. And I hope he does. Maybe shake up his staff over the offseason as well.





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Gordon is a max contract "top 3 SG"






top 10 at best






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Grevis Vasquez is lights out this year.

Gordon is a max contract "top 3 SG"

Aminu is having a career year.

Ryan Anderson is a top 10 PF in the league.

Davis should be rookie of the year.

Lopez is having a career year.


First of all, you KNOW that's not true (which is why I assume you put it in quotes). Second, Monty almost certainly had a pretty big say so in getting every one of those players here (including EG's potentially bad contract, as well as AD, who was a no brainer).

He is making some terrible decisions/rotations, and the team is underachieving for a supposedly defensive minded coach, but he also seems to be doing a fairly good job developing talent (masterful job with the underachieving Aminu) and finding undervalued players (Vasquez, Ryno, to a lesser extent Lopez). And, given what's happened since the start of February, we can't overlook that Rivers may have actually been a good pick. Given that AD was a sure thing, Rivers is the only other 1st round pick that Monty has been involved with choosing.

Right now, based on his short career, I'd compare him to Andy Reid: does a lot of really good things to go along with some bafflingly stupid gameday decisions, especially in crunch time. It will be a tough decision for Benson to make. You could say that he deserves to finish what he started and complete the team that he wants with the substantial capspace we'll be having next season, something that he hasn't had the opportunity to do since coming here. He could also just as easily focus on Monty's bad decisions and decide that he doesn't want him having a say so in the most immportant offseason since 2009 (after the Spurs series).

Finally, everything I just said may be bull shite if Demps was the main guy behind Rivers, Ryno, Vasquez, and Lopez. That would leave Monty as a factor in developing Aminu (clearly) and possibly Vasquez (his improvement is a bit overstated as I think he was really underlooked last year) to go along with a lot of iffy in game decisions. I don't think any of us have any way of knowing exactly how big of a role Monty has in trades/draft picks.

ETA: Let's not forget the Okafor/Ariza trade, which pretty much said "frick the 2012/13 season, let's sacrifice it in favor of 2013/14 flexibility." It would be unfair to let him make that trade (that I'm pretty sure 100% of the people on this forum supported) and not letting him survive the benefit.



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