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Since everyone seems to be ignoring my last post, I will try again.

The report being attacked here clearly states, repeatedly, that the figures are preliminary. Furthermore, the only reason the report exists is because the STA (which was passed unanimously by the Senate and 414-2 by the House) requires it, and the report was prepared in accordance with the rules laid out in the STA. Specifically, as stated in the report:
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The estimates and classiications in this report are preliminary. As required by the STA,
the report assumes that discretionary appropriations are funded at the level that would be
provided under a continuing resolution (CR) at the same rate of operations as in FY 2012.

Appropriations legislation that is actually enacted for the iscal year beginning on October 1,
2012 will change the estimates provided in this report.

And from the actual STA for good measure:
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(ii) for accounts that have not been funded pursuant to an enacted regular appropriation bill for fiscal year 2013, an identification of each account to be sequestered and estimates pursuant to a continuing resolution at a rate of operations as provided in the applicable appropriation Act for fiscal year 2012 of the level of sequestrable budgetary resources and resulting reductions at the program, project, and activity level;

So this report is being attacked for being prepared according to the law. Imagine that.

And to top it all off, we finally have an example of redundant effort being eliminated and saving money, but instead of being happy you guys are trying to turn it into some bull shite story.

All the while accusing the left of spinning shite.






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Antonio Moss
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I suspect that the only error here is that Reason seems to not understand the federal budget process. The NDIC may have closed in June, but the fiscal year didn’t end until September, which meant it was still funded.


And what does that have to do with sequester cuts in 2013?

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But, congress did not pass a new budget at that time.


No shite.

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Rather, they passed a continuing resolution, which continues to fund all of the various agencies that were previously funded.


Fantastic. So because Congress (primarily the Senate) fails to do its job; we are now funding non-existent agencies.

USA!

And this dereliction of duty somehow excuses the President from seeking sympathy appeal for fiscal losses taken by the non-existent agency?

It's like I've fallen down the rabbit hole.

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Cuts can be made indiscriminately, ie you can say the CR will fund the government at 2% below current levels, but you can’t zero out line items in a CR. That’s what a budget is for.


It's just absolutely amazing how this little line is just thrown out there without any hesitation.

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So even though the NDIC does not exist, it exists.


No, sir. The NDIC does not exist. There may be $20 million (soon to be $18 million) allocated to it, but it does not exist. If my dead grandfather is mailed a SS check, he doesn't magically come back to life.

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It’s money is appropriated.


Yes, to a non-existent agency. Fantastic management by our Congress.

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Presumably the next budget will zero it out and its unused funds will be returned to the treasury,


I wouldn't hold my breath for either 1) a new budget or 2) the return of funds.

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but until that time it exists, at least on paper. And as such, OMB was correct to include it in the report.


That wasn't the issue.






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90proofprofessional
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So this report is being attacked for being prepared according to the law. Imagine that.

Which brings to my mind the question:

How many budget-related assertions has this administration made that HAVEN'T been the beneficiary of some dubious scoring quirk or assumption?






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Korkstand
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And what does that have to do with sequester cuts in 2013?
Absolutely nothing, but the STA spells out how this report was to be compiled.
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Fantastic. So because Congress (primarily the Senate) fails to do its job; we are now funding non-existent agencies.
Funding? Not at all. Money was appropriated by the CR, but it obviously will not be spent by the NDIC.
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And this dereliction of duty somehow excuses the President from seeking sympathy appeal for fiscal losses taken by the non-existent agency?
You think this $2million was included for sympathy? Out of something like 1200 items, most dealing with well over $2million, you think this 1 tiny item was included in the report as some sort of leverage?
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It's like I've fallen down the rabbit hole.
Can't argue with you here.
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Yes, to a non-existent agency. Fantastic management by our Congress.
The duties of the NDIC were merged with the DEA, resulting in a budget reduction from $20million to $8million. It's not the worst thing they've done.
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That wasn't the issue.
Then what is the issue? A report was compiled in accordance with the law, and it "exposed" a case of redundant effort being eliminated and saving taxpayer money. How in the frick it has been twisted into some smoking gun for presidential deception seems to be the issue.






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I would never support any president supported by readers of the Blaze.
Awww.

That's cute.






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Roaad
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Bob Woodward:
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“I think peoples’ heads are about to explode about all of this, you know, what the hell is going on here?” Woodward said Wednesday. “I’m not sure the White House understands exactly what happened in all of these negotiation at the end of 2011 with the sequester and the super committee, because they were really on the sidelines.”


Puppets galore



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NOLATide
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Queen, the only problem I have with this graph (the bar graph) is that the only 2 decreasing years in spending in the relevant past appear to be under Obama. Correct?





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Very similar to the way Obama's first stimulus had funds going to nonexistent Congressional districts in New Mexico and Vermont.

This may well be the dirtiest administration ever.



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This may well be the dirtiest administration ever.
Squeaky Clean®.






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vodkacop
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And yet in his next retort to you he still refuses to mention that whole silly budget thing that dear leader hides from.





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PurpGold 14-0
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POTUS is just making it up as he goes along.

But hey, he has Jay-Z on his iPod so he's cool!






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vodkacop
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And he shoots guns, plays bball, drinks beer and does March madness tournament brackets. All the qualifications if a great leader. I wonder with all the vacations, concerts, golf playing and other, way more important things he does that makes him so cool, does he find time to actually lead? I dont want a cool president. I dont want someone who, as the obama supporters think of as a regular guy, that could be just hanging out in the local watering hole if he wasnt president. I want an uptight, tight wad, who doesnt like me and thinks he is way better then me cuz i am at the bar too much. Matter of fact i want a guy who hates having fun cuz his or her priorities are way superior and thinks you dont go on vacation until the job is done.





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Can you really blame him anymore? I don't. He's just doing what he knows he can get away with.


Sorta like blaming parents instead of the child. It is not the child's fault it is his upbringing or environment that made them this way. No fault. It is the modern way. No fault, no responsibility, no blame.






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This may well be the dirtiest administration ever.

Surely you aren't referring to The Most Transparent Administration Ever?






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i hate obama more than i could possibly put into words.......he truely is a worthless pile of raw excrement





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Tiger in Texas
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Can you really blame him anymore? I don't. He's just doing what he knows he can get away with. I blame the media and his followers who treat him like a cult figure.


And the voters of this country...they actually voted him in a SECOND term!!! Did they really not see what was happening in the first 4 years??? I no longer have faith in American people anymore- just dumb beyond dumb...






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Powerman
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This is comical, but typical now with this administration.

Not only do they know their target audience are the dumbest of the dumb, but now they are literally making shite up on the fly knowing no one will question them (similar to ABC editing MO's mistake yesterday).

This is solid here.

Yes, You HAVE To Be A Dumbass To Continue To Support Obama. HAVE. TO. BE.


Perhaps it's an honest mistake

But if it is, it highlights a much more important point. This is something that he is claiming would be a big deal if it got shut down.

The problem is, it did shut down and the event was so insignificant that nobody noticed, including him apparently.

So how many of the other departments could flat out close their doors tomorrow and the only people that notice are the people that work there?

If these are jobs that don't have any positive effect, then they need to be axed. Period.







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Perhaps it's an honest mistake But if it is, it highlights a much more important point. This is something that he is claiming would be a big deal if it got shut down. The problem is, it did shut down and the event was so insignificant that nobody noticed, including him apparently. So how many of the other departments could flat out close their doors tomorrow and the only people that notice are the people that work there? If these are jobs that don't have any positive effect, then they need to be axed. Period.


Also shows he's arguing from a position of ignorance.






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Perhaps it's an honest mistake


With this administration? They make "mistakes" daily, it seems. I'm seriously considering starting an "obama administration lie of the day" thread every day. I bet I could start today and make one every day until he is out of office with no problems.

Sad part is, that wouldn't scratch the surface of the lies he has told for four plus years.

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But if it is, it highlights a much more important point. This is something that he is claiming would be a big deal if it got shut down.


Nice addition and 100% correct.

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The problem is, it did shut down and the event was so insignificant that nobody noticed, including him apparently. So how many of the other departments could flat out close their doors tomorrow and the only people that notice are the people that work there? If these are jobs that don't have any positive effect, then they need to be axed. Period.


But this too is a problem, and also reflects the core of your point:

Obama was for a sequester before, but now realizes that if people recognize they can start cutting his precious, ever-expanding nanny state, they will look at him and say "OK, what else can we cut"?

Obama and his statist ilk can't have that, for obvious reasons.






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Can you really blame him anymore? I don't. He's just doing what he knows he can get away with.


This is 100% correct as well.






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