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Post Combine Talk on 3-4 OLBs



time to sort out the fray, put a % you think they are available at #15 and your thoughts. Mine:

Damontre Moore- he went in looking more likely gone and comes out looking like available without a doubt. NFL teams must begin to decide whether he's a poor athlete with limited upside or a Terrell Suggs type of defender who does not test well but plays lights out. Doubt his 3-4 fit at all
acknowledges disappointment
Bjoern Werner- 75%, didn't impress as special, confirmed that he is 4-3DE only, not a Saints option IMO
Werner 40
Jarvis Jones- 50%, sounds like more teams have taken him off their boards than those keeping him. The sterling performances of the other 3-4 players could fill all the seekers of these guys spots before #15. Top 5 talent strangely seems much more likely being a Saints possibility. They've taken medical risks like Brees, Romeus, and Toon. Jones looks like a great hope for us. Pro Day will be huge
lame sounding explanation of not working out
Mingo- 33%, shined but definitely needs to fill out, % this high cuz other pass rushers could fill the needy spots before #15
Mingo's Draft Journey
Dion Jordan- 10% potential factor pushed even higher, top 3-4OLB taken IMO
40yd with commentary
Ziggy Ansah- 5% He elevates to the pot of gold that GMs are willing to take a risk on
discussion on his readiness

My takeaway: there's only so many pass rushers that will be taken before #15. Good shot at a prized pass rusher still being available for the Saints.



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AlexMSU
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Great analysis. I'm sure a fair share of peeps will disagree but I think this seems pretty reasonable overall.. Kind of sucks that the 4-3 talent may fall and the 3-4 guys could potentially see some rise





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Chad504boy
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I don't see how jarvis jones is a fit at OLB in a 34 D.... He's the prototype outside 43 backer.





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Agreed. I think you guys will draft Ziggy Ansah - it'll be a big pickup for y'all.





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blueslover
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you need to read more scouting reports then

I didn't do a dedicated thread of scouting reports on him earlier cuz I thought the chance of him being available too remote. Will get on that.






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There's no way Jarvis Jones drops to #15. Well, there is a way, I just don't see it.





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My order would be:

Ziggy Ansah
Barkevious Mingo
Dion Jordan
Jarvis Jones







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I would flip Mingo and Jordan





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Chad504boy
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quote:

you need to read more scouting reports then

I didn't do a dedicated thread of scouting reports on him earlier cuz I thought the chance of him being available too remote. Will get on that.




i hearh lots of people at the combine reiterate the same thoughts. He's too small for the outside backer in the 34 IMO. I don't care what your dedicated thread said.



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Brettesaurus Rex
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quote:

My takeaway: there's only so many pass rushers that will be taken before #15. Good shot at a prized pass rusher still being available for the Saints.

This is really what Im thinking now as well. As many as 3 OTs could go before 15, a WR, and hopefully a few QBs. There's got I be someone who falls.

I think our main pass rushing competition is Jax, Detroit, Jets. I think whoever gets past the Jets at 11 (I think) will be our guy






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AlexMSU
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Jarvis jones' biggest attribute is his pass rush. He is very similar to Von miller IMO! Maybe not quite as talented tho. Miller is an OLB in 4-3 but moves to DE in 3rd downs or passing situation.. Wouldn't have much trouble playing 3-4 OLB imo





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FootballNostradamus
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quote:

I don't see how jarvis jones is a fit at OLB in a 34 D.... He's the prototype outside 43 backer.


Jones' stock diminishes significantly if he can't play 3-4 OLB. His best asset is rushing the passer, it's all he did at Georgia. If you take him off the LOS and play him at SAM or WILL in a 4-3 you have a fringe 1st round talent IMO.

The 4-3 OLB might be the least valuable position in any defensive scheme. I personally think he absolutely can play OLB in the 3-4, but that's just my opinion.






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LSU Nguyener
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Mingo > Jordan... Athletically they're about the same w Jordan being longer but Mingo has played w the big boys in the SEC.





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Chad504boy
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Its hard to think of many Outside pass rushing specialist linebackers in a 3-4 in the NFL SHORTER than 6'3.


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AlexMSU
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Elvis Dumervil has played both OLB/DE at like 5'11" or something close to that





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Mingo has played w the big boys in the SEC.

And of course that means he'll automatically be the better player in the pros.






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Chad504boy
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not a terrible example but he's one of the reasons they stay in a 4-3 though.





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I think it really hinges on Jarvis Joness pro day!If it is remotely close to Jordan and Mingo's combine then I think if a teams doctor clears him he will go top 10. I beleive Ansah and Jordan will go before 15 which means Mingo will be ours to take, which i like. just hope his run defense can improve.





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LSU Nguyener
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It means that he had to defend the run on a consistent basis, and use more than just his athleticism to make plays





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SammyTiger
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quote:

I don't see how jarvis jones is a fit at OLB in a 34 D.... He's the prototype outside 43 backer.


He excelled at it in a big way in college.
14.5 sacks last year, 13.5 the year before.
He had 7 sacks int he last two year against Florida alone. 2 against Alabama in the SEC Championship game.






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