re: Lets face it.

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I do not understand the perception that you need a great pg to win the finals

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apparently the standard is elite not great. great won't get you there

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. He is a great PG but will not take us to a championship

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Who is on edge?

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Mario Chalmbers (is he really that much better than Gravy?)
Jason Kidd (as good as he was in NJ, in 10-11 was he great?)
Derek Fisher (really)
Derek Fisher (really)
Rajon Rondo (before he hit his prime)

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Ill do this to you before Gyno does

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Mario Chalmbers (is he really that much better than Gravy?)
-Lebron, Bosh, Wade
Jason Kidd (as good as he was in NJ, in 10-11 was he great?)
-Dirk
Derek Fisher (really)
-Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Shaq
Rajon Rondo (before he hit his prime)
-Garnett, Pierce, Allen

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so all we need is a few all-time greats to pair with Gravy and we'll be set!

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so all we need is a few all-time greats to pair with Gravy and we'll be set!

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Uh, you see, that argument doesn't hold that much water. Vasquez could wake up with speed tomorrow, and we'd still need at least one more star to pair with Davis. Or to put it another way, a great PG on this current roster would still not make us a contender for a title.

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Uh, you see, that argument doesn't hold that much water. Vasquez could wake up with speed tomorrow, and we'd still need at least one more star to pair with Davis. Or to put it another way, a great PG on this current roster would still not make us a contender for a title.

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Also, having an affordable Vasquez as your starter frees up salary and assets to acquire those stars around him. Replacing him with a star is not possible, so maximizing your ability to build around him is by far the best option.

Plain and simple, you need great players to win championships. If one of those players is a great point guard then so be it. There is no set formula that you need a great player at position X.

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Based on what? Vazquez has the opportunity to do more because he plays on a bad team. You don't know if Chalmers could put up similar numbers in the same situation.

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Yeah, Vasquez is still able to provide assists with limited offensive options to complete those assists. I assure you, Vasquez helps Lopez score more than Lopez helps Vasquez assist.

Anderson is the only consistent outside threat we've had all year (outside of Gravy himself).

ETA - Chalmers's assist numbers are nothing special with two all-time greats to pass the ball to....

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Davis is supposed to be a future HOF and Ryan Anderson is new Peja and at Peja's peak he was an MVP candidate. Between cap space and those 2, things are already in place to allow Vasquez to remain with the team. What's missing is what Rivers promises to be, a good defender and penetrator that can get extended playing time when the matchups don't favor Vasquez.

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You aren't going to get much slack because you are loved around here, but this is ridiculous.

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You aren't going to get much slack because you are loved around here, but this is ridiculous.

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Refute a single point he made in that post, hotshot. I'm only asking for one. He made the following points:

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Davis is supposed to be a future HOF

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Ryan Anderson is new Peja

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at Peja's peak he was an MVP candidate

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things are already in place to allow Vasquez to remain with the team.

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What's missing is what Rivers promises to be, a good defender and penetrator that can get extended playing time when the matchups don't favor Vasquez.

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Refute any of them. The only one you have any hope of refuting is that promises may have been a slightly strong term, but that's debatable.

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to be fair, thats not his job...

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Absolutely. But let's talk about what his job really is. His job is to defend the opposing point guard, hit an occasional shot, and occasionally advance the ball upcourt. He is the definition of a role-playing starter, but that's all they need him to be. That's kind of the point.

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Gravy>Chalmers all day though, so dont think Im trying to argue with you about that

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I agree. I don't expect him to make any all-star teams, but he seems like a hell of a leader and works to improve constantly. Those are exactly the types of guys we need to keep around through this rebuild to help the young guns grow.