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In one case, someone intentionally causes harm to a child. In another, someone accidentally causes harm. There's your difference.


The guy was 20, he's not a child.

And killing someone when driving drunk is no accident.






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so when a guy turns 21, his tolerance for alcohol quadruples?

or maybe it's not that simple






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kudos to those of you who can distinguish between whether or not an action is justifiable in terms of our legal system as opposed to their own morality/emotional justification


I don't think killing the guy is justifiable, but I can't say I wouldn't have done the same thing if I was in those shoes. As others have said, it's hard to know what you would do unless you were put in that exact situation.

As far as our legal system, it's hard to judge things like this by it. The only time, that I'm aware of, that murder is seen as justifiable is in situations that you fear for your life and are attempting to defend yourself. Others have posted the story about the guy in TX who killed the guy who was molesting his daughter. He got off, so apparently the legal system thought that was justifiable. I'm certainly not condemning that guy, because, as I said, I don't know what I would or wouldn't do in that situation. I just see some cases like this where people are not found guilty of murder, and then there are others where they are found guilty.






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At the time of the incident, the gun man had no way of knowing that the guy he murdered was drunk.

You need to take into account if you want to have an honest discussion.






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The guy was 20, he's not a child.
so he should be judged by the adult blood alcohol limit of .08 which would classify him as sober.






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so when a guy turns 21, his tolerance for alcohol quadruples? or maybe it's not that simple


I think it's as simple as you should not drink and drive. The guy was drunk and as a result he killed two children.






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i don't think anyone is debating that





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The guy was 20, he's not a child.

And killing someone when driving drunk is no accident


You're so obsessed with your little tirade that you're lost in this thread.

The man who killed his daughter's molester got off. Why? Because the daughter's molester intentionally caused harm to a child.

This guy won't get off because the driver accidentally caused harm to the shooter's children.

And yes, if you get in a car accident while drunk, it's still an accident. Furthermore, the shooter had no way of knowing that the driver was 'drunk' when he committed his act.

Tell me, if the driver wasn't drunk and the same stuff happened, would you defend the shooter?

Another question: Do you truly believe that doing something that increases the odds of an unintended outcome is the same as intentionally committing said outcome?






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I think it's as simple as you should not drink and drive. The guy was drunk and as a result he killed two children.


Earlier in the discussion I was with you on the drunk thing, but at that point I didn't realize his BAC was so low. I doubt the amount of alcohol in his system led to him hitting those children. Saying that, it does seem he was at fault in the accident, so obviously he wasn't driving like he should have been. The father also endangered his children by letting them push a truck down the highway.






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i don't think anyone is debating that


Debating what? That he was drunk? That he killed two children as a result of his willful decision to get drunk and then drive?






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that you shouldn't drive and drink. whether or not the low volume of alcohol significantly contributed to the accident is still debatable. if he was really a .04, it would be much easier for me to believe that something else caused the accident like drowsiness, texting or messing with his radio





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Earlier in the discussion I was with you on the drunk thing, but at that point I didn't realize his BAC was so low. I doubt the amount of alcohol in his system led to him hitting those children. Saying that, it does seem he was at fault in the accident, so obviously he wasn't driving like he should have been. The father also endangered his children by letting them push a truck down the highway.


Where is this coming from about his blood alcohol level being low? All I see in the OP is the guy's blood alcohol level beign twice the legal limit. So which is it?

As for the father, I've already said more than once he was stupid for having his sons try to help him push this truck.






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if he was really a .04, it would be much easier for me to believe that something else caused the accident like drowsiness, texting or messing with his radio


This would be my guess also after learning his BAC was that low.






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Where is this coming from about his blood alcohol level being low? All I see in the OP is the guy's blood alcohol level beign twice the legal limit. So which is it?

As for the father, I've already said more than once he was stupid for having his sons try to help him push this truck.



Twice the legal limit because he was under 21. If he was 21 he wouldn't even be considered drunk. .04 really isn't anything. That's like two beers. You aren't impaired after 2 beers.






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I want to know at what point in the evening did the driver say, "I'm going to kill two kids tonight."

You know, actually have the intent to kill another human being.

Words have actual meanings. Lord Vader seems to forget that.






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You're so obsessed with your little tirade that you're lost in this thread. The man who killed his daughter's molester got off. Why? Because the daughter's molester intentionally caused harm to a child.


Speaking of being lost, what the hell are you talking about? I've not said anything about daughters being molested.

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And yes, if you get in a car accident while drunk, it's still an accident.


This is what's wrong with people today. An unwillingness to claim responsibility of their actions. If someone drinks and drives and kills someone they are responsible for that death. Furthermore, they knew before hand their drinking and driving could kill someone and chose to do it anyway. That is why it is not an "accident".

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Tell me, if the driver wasn't drunk and the same stuff happened, would you defend the shooter?


No

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Another question: Do you truly believe that doing something that increases the odds of an unintended outcome is the same as intentionally committing said outcome?


In this instance, yes. The decision to knowingly become intoxicated and then driving negates any notion of the consequences as being an accident. You know beforehand the consequences of your actions can be fatal but chose to go ahead anyway. Look at it this way, if a gunman goes into a crowded room, closes his eyes and starts spraying bullets around at random, is it an accident when one of those bullets hit someone? He knows beforehand that someone could get hit but he does not intentionally target anyone.






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I want to know at what point in the evening did the driver say, "I'm going to kill two kids tonight."

You know, actually have the intent to kill another human being.



Yeah. As far as the whole drunk driving thing I'm torn. If the guy was legit drunk, then I honestly don't know whether to call it murder or not. Like I said earlier, people are putting everyone's life on the line whenever they drunk drive and they know it. But saying that, you technically put everyone's life on the line the minute you get in a car. Also, as you said, I doubt a drunk driver's intent is to kill anyone, even if they are being an idiot. I don't know what to think anymore






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Darth_Vader
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Twice the legal limit because he was under 21. If he was 21 he wouldn't even be considered drunk. .04 really isn't anything. That's like two beers. You aren't impaired after 2 beers.


That's what I'm asking, wher edid the .04 level come from? I did not see that mentioned in the OP.






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That's what I'm asking, wher edid the .04 level come from? I did not see that mentioned in the OP.



I assume it's in a link or something? I'm just taking everyone else's word for it.






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If someone drinks and drives and kills someone they are responsible for that death. Furthermore, they knew before hand their drinking and driving could kill someone and chose to do it anyway. That is why it is not an "accident".



I'd say drunk and driving, not just drinking. A beer or two isn't a problem. To me, this argument makes complete sense, but so do some that others are making. I'm on the fence on this topic.






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