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I've heard multiple times that Miles runs a very collaborative gameplanning...
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:17 pm
process.
This involves everyone. But Miles has ultimate authority.
But soon-if I'm hearing right-we're gonna have 3 former LSU Offensive Coordinators on staff. One who took a medical demotion, and one whose performance evaluation after the year was over dictated that he take a demotion in order to remain gainfully employed within the program.
How is that going to affect morale and the gameplanning process I wonder? We've all heard the story about having two starting quarterbacks, or having a ton of chiefs and no Indians.
But we've got our starter at QB. We've also already got our Chief. HTF is LSU gonna shoehorn the egos and morale under one roof in the offensive staff meeting room?
If we keep Krags & Dudrawa, we're risking a ton. Y'know, Tuberville tried this his last year as well. Not trying to compare the programs, the talent, etc. But just saying that maintaining staff when changing the coordinator doesn't always work out so hot.
This involves everyone. But Miles has ultimate authority.
But soon-if I'm hearing right-we're gonna have 3 former LSU Offensive Coordinators on staff. One who took a medical demotion, and one whose performance evaluation after the year was over dictated that he take a demotion in order to remain gainfully employed within the program.
How is that going to affect morale and the gameplanning process I wonder? We've all heard the story about having two starting quarterbacks, or having a ton of chiefs and no Indians.
But we've got our starter at QB. We've also already got our Chief. HTF is LSU gonna shoehorn the egos and morale under one roof in the offensive staff meeting room?
If we keep Krags & Dudrawa, we're risking a ton. Y'know, Tuberville tried this his last year as well. Not trying to compare the programs, the talent, etc. But just saying that maintaining staff when changing the coordinator doesn't always work out so hot.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 12:18 pm
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:20 pm to GFunk
IF Cameron comes in, Krag's will be in an administrative capacity, I'd assume.
Stud may get his feelings hurt, who knows.
I just hope Miles lets CC do his job and that is asking a lot. If CC can develop our QB's, I'd be happy with just that alone TBH.
Stud may get his feelings hurt, who knows.
I just hope Miles lets CC do his job and that is asking a lot. If CC can develop our QB's, I'd be happy with just that alone TBH.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:20 pm to GFunk
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This involves everyone. But Miles has ultimate authority.
This was mostly done because Stud had to assume control once Krag's condition was revealed. Miles had 100% trust in Krag and was going to give him full control, he didn't have that same trust in Stud.
That plan worked well enough to get us to the BCS game in 2011. Now he''ll bring in Cameron who he has 100% trust in.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:21 pm to GFunk
i think Krags understands considering his situation. i also think Stud would be happier just handling the o-line.
there...problem solved. that was easy
there...problem solved. that was easy
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:22 pm to lsusteve1
Krag will move to an administration position, has to due to number of coach restrictions.
Stud I would expect to immediately start looking for another job. If he can't find one, I would expect he would remain loyal to Miles being that any other coach would have tossed him out without a second's hesitation.
Cameron will run the offense. Chavis the Defense. Miles will run the team. Championships will follow
Stud I would expect to immediately start looking for another job. If he can't find one, I would expect he would remain loyal to Miles being that any other coach would have tossed him out without a second's hesitation.
Cameron will run the offense. Chavis the Defense. Miles will run the team. Championships will follow
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:23 pm to Choctaw
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Choctaw
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i also think Stud would be happier just handling the o-line.
Dude has been OC before, and turned down the OC job at tOSU, as well as Arkansas, recently.
Yet he'd be okay taking a very public demotion for a job (not very) well done, along with a pretty sizable paycut?
Ummm. Okay.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:28 pm to GFunk
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Yet he'd be okay taking a very public demotion for a job (not very) well done, along with a pretty sizable paycut?
He's not taking a pay cut. He'll get an added title, like running game coach, to justify his pay.
He'll still be on staff. Remember that he was thrust into the role of OC.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:30 pm to GFunk
The name every one has been hearing is Cameron for OC. With that being said, there is no way he comes hear as one of three OC. With his NFL and college experience as a HC/OC, success helping players develop, and running a successful offense more times than not in the NFL/college, Miles will trust him to run the offense (like Chavis runs defense)or he won't come. No doubt Miles will tell him what he is looking for out of the offense and together they will determine what the best way to achieve that is. Other coaches will assist or likely have some role input, but for the most part Cameron would have the say so, or he probably would not come.
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Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:31 pm to GFunk
I doubt very seriously Stud will be taking a paycut. Why would he have to? We've got the cash. And you are creating a problem where there is none. I'm sure this has been thought through and talked out. Any party that has a problem with the arrangement can get the frick out, I'm sure.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:31 pm to Hot Carl
I think a bigger question is what's the plan for when Cameron leaves. With his résumé, if he has any success at LSU, I can't imagine he'll stay longer than a year or 2.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:31 pm to GFunk
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Yet he'd be okay taking a very public demotion for a job (not very) well done, along with a pretty sizable paycut?
if he's not okay with it, he can leave...
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:33 pm to GFunk
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Yet he'd be okay taking a very public demotion for a job (not very) well done, along with a pretty sizable paycut?
Ummm. Okay.
#1 - I am not under the impression Stud thinks he did a good job. He kind of got thrown into the fire, stepped up and did what he could under the circumstances, and with everyone involved. Do you know all of the personal convos that led to him taking over the "official" title of OC? None of us do. For all anyone knows, he may not have even wanted it to begin with.
#2 - Do you know exactly what his pay would be if asked to step down? Do you know for sure that he would be forced to take the pay cut? Not saying I think it would be wise to continue paying him his current salary is he does step down, just saying we don't know all the details or fine print in anyones contract, or their verbal agreements/understandings.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:34 pm to GFunk
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Dude has been OC before,
And wasnt one again until tragedy struck.
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turned down the OC job at tOSU, as well as Arkansas, recently.
And also OC of Memphis before he was our OC and he turned it down
I think the dude likes LSU first and foremost and is more content to be O line coach than OC but filled in because of need not want. We were in a bind 1 or 2 weeks before we played the number 3 team in the nation. He had no choice but to take over playcalling duties.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:40 pm to LSUnation78
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#2 - Do you know exactly what his pay would be if asked to step down? Do you know for sure that he would be forced to take the pay cut? Not saying I think it would be wise to continue paying him his current salary is he does step down, just saying we don't know all the details or fine print in anyones contract, or their verbal agreements/understandings.
What we do know is he's making $500k. Unlike several other LSU assistant coaches, he is not receiving an automatic pay increase in 2013 and 2014, which was approved last summer.
If he stays on, my guess is they'll leave his pay where it's at. It's not like he is making top OC money anyway.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:44 pm to Adam Banks
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He had no choice but to take over playcalling duties.
He was an OC under Urban Meyer. I would be willing to bet that he relished the op to be the OC for an elite BCS team
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:44 pm to EarthwormJim
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EarthwormJim
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He's not taking a pay cut. He'll get an added title, like running game coach, to justify his pay.
He'll still be on staff. Remember that he was thrust into the role of OC.
No, he wasn't thrust. Thrust would be that he got the job even though he didn't-or never-wanted it. That's categorically untrue. Miles interviewed him for the opening before hiring Kragthorpe.
So that's incorrect and that assumption alone derails your entire argument.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:47 pm to LSUnation78
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LSUnation78
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#1 - I am not under the impression Stud thinks he did a good job. He kind of got thrown into the fire, stepped up and did what he could under the circumstances, and with everyone involved. Do you know all of the personal convos that led to him taking over the "official" title of OC? None of us do. For all anyone knows, he may not have even wanted it to begin with.
#2 - Do you know exactly what his pay would be if asked to step down? Do you know for sure that he would be forced to take the pay cut? Not saying I think it would be wise to continue paying him his current salary is he does step down, just saying we don't know all the details or fine print in anyones contract, or their verbal agreements/understandings.
Lemme break this down for you:
Dud interviewed for the job before Krag got it. He wanted the job and thought he could do well enough at it that he applied the first go around.
After he got "thrown to the fire" as you put it, Les could've gone out and found another OC, but didn't. He could've reinstated Krag to OC, but didn't. He instead gave the fulltime title to Dud. Again, why did Dud not avoid the fulltime title when he had the chance to? Why did he interview for the job if he didn't want it the first time?
Reason? He did want it. He did think he could do it. He was paid as if he could do it. Krags money was reduced as well in light of it. So if Dud didn't want the job, he had ample time and opportunity to pivot away from it.
Your entire line of reasoning is specious at best.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:49 pm to League Champs
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He was an OC under Urban Meyer. I would be willing to bet that he relished the op to be the OC for an elite BCS team
False. He was OC AFTER Urban left. BG hired Urbans OC and Stud got promoted. He had from 2007-2011 to try to leave for an OC job and never attempted even when he had chances. He could have found another MAC level OC job but he didnt. He chose to go back to oline where he had been his entire career.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:50 pm to Adam Banks
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Adam Banks
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I think the dude likes LSU first and foremost and is more content to be O line coach than OC but filled in because of need not want. We were in a bind 1 or 2 weeks before we played the number 3 team in the nation. He had no choice but to take over playcalling duties.
He applied for the job before Krag got it. He wanted the job before we needed him to take it. We didn't think he needed the job even though he wanted it enough to apply.
To say he was more content is to ignore that he interviewed for the job itself and was passed over. This fact alone proves that he was not more content, which derails your entire line of reasoning as well.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:51 pm to GFunk
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If we keep Krags & Dudrawa, we're risking a ton.
Whether no change is made at all; or Cam / someone else comes in and the rest of the staff stays but shifts (of course, one coach would have to leave if Cam comes... Stud? Ensminger? Krag?); or the offensive staff changes are more extensive, there will be a lot of risk. I just hired a couple people at my office in November... within 2 months both were gone for different reasons. Wholesale changes aren't necessarily safer than shifting the people you've worked with to different roles. And the chemistry coaches have with players from year to year will affect the team dynamic as well. If we had Stud as the OC at a different point in time, the results may have also been different. Not trying to sound fickle, but it really is a crapshoot no matter what the decision is.
Obviously, some coaches tend to have more consistent success than others. I've seen some good posts about Cam that show a level of consistent success that is encouraging-- Baltimore/Ray Rice criticisms notwithstanding. I'm not saying that this one piece of the puzzle will fix everything. But if Cam does come, and if he does have Miles' respect and support, then his hopefully fresh insight and methods may beneficially shake up the dynamic of the program in such a way that any coaches whose duties shift may be more influenced by the infusion of positive energy than the possible feeling of stagnation their position change might suggest. I guess it depends on what Cam (or whoever) brings to the table and how the other coaches respond to it... in other words, it's a crapshoot.
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