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hawkster
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| ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:19 pm)
I thought the ACLU supported separation of church and state. Why haven't they chimed in to protest the catholic bishops' attempted interference in the legal system through coercion of the catholic governor?
Shouldn't the ACLU urge the governor to ignore religious influence in the carrying out of a court-ordered criminal sentence of the child-murderer at Angola? 
I guess their pick and choose self-righteous principles in this case are as consistent as they are in the ACLU's (lack of) defense of the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.
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CarrolltonTiger 
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:23 pm to hawkster)
coercion of the catholic governor?
You don't have a great handle on democracy or what private organizations can do in a free society do you?
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DvlsAdvocat 
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:25 pm to hawkster)
Lobbyist gonna lobby...
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:26 pm to hawkster)
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Why haven't they chimed in to protest the catholic bishops' attempted interference in the legal system through coercion of the catholic governor?
Is that illegal?
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Shouldn't the ACLU urge the governor to ignore religious influence in the carrying out of a court-ordered criminal sentence of the child-murderer at Angola?
What?
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Paluka
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:28 pm to hawkster)
WTF are you talking about?
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TN Bhoy 
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:29 pm to hawkster)
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:29 pm to hawkster)
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:32 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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You don't have a great handle on democracy or what private organizations can do in a free society do you?
If the catholic bishops urged Jindal to enact a policy like the prohibition of abortions until lent was over, would the ACLU quietly ignore that as a private organization exercising democracy in a free society?
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Catman88
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:36 pm to hawkster)
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consistent as they are in the ACLU's (lack of) defense of the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms
Gotta love how they just dont agree with a SCOTUS ruling that the 2nd amendment is an individual right. So they dont give a damn about the gov taking guns away.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:37 pm to hawkster)
The bishops can pretty much advocate whatever they desire (perhaps not the overthrow of the government), that is their right. However. If Jindal does do something in contravention of the Constitution and the rights of citizes, that should attract the attention of the ACLU, but they also have the right to pick and choos where they get involved.
As I said you really don't have a strong grasp of our civic culture.
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Antonio Moss
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:44 pm to hawkster)
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If the catholic bishops urged Jindal to enact a policy like the prohibition of abortions until lent was over, would the ACLU quietly ignore that as a private organization exercising democracy in a free society?
Probably since all organizations, including religious ones, have the right to petition government.
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:46 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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but they also have the right to pick and choos where they get involved.
And they love to portray themselves as unbiased protectors of rights when they occasionally defend the KKK or a group like that. Because they claim that freedom of speech is protected no matter what the speech.
But, apparently separation of church and state is a hit or miss principle with the ACLU. No mangers or menorahs or korans, but the potential modification of court-ordered sentences for criminal offenses strictly for religious reasons is a "no comment" issue?
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Antonio Moss
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:49 pm to hawkster)
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But, apparently separation of church and state is a hit or miss principle with the ACLU.
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment. There is nothing in the First Amendment that prevents religious groups from advocating political positions.
NOTHING.
There are no rights being infringed on here.
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 2:57 pm to Antonio Moss)
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment. There is nothing in the First Amendment that prevents religious groups from advocating political positions.
NOTHING.
There are no rights being infringed on here.
So if a state government contemplated the differentiation and implementation of criminal sentencing based on the crime or punishment's relationship to a particular holy day of a particular religion, the ACLU should see no reason to comment on that issue?
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:00 pm to hawkster)
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So if a state government contemplated the differentiation and implementation of criminal sentencing based on the crime or punishment's relationship to a particular holy day of a particular religion, the ACLU should see no reason to comment on that issue?
Perhaps you are on to somehting, Presidents generally reprieve a couple of Turkeys around Thanksgiving, maybe the ACLU should comment on this sentencing disparity. I heard these are usually turkeys with large breasts filled with WHITE meat.
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:05 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Perhaps you are on to somehting, Presidents generally reprieve a couple of Turkeys around Thanksgiving, maybe the ACLU should comment on this sentencing disparity. I heard these are usually turkeys with large breasts filled with WHITE meat.
Good thing you saved your most solid logic for that zinger.
This post was edited on 2/5 at 3:06 pm
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:06 pm to hawkster)
Is this thread really turning out the way you intended?
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:09 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Is this thread really turning out the way you intended?
It turned out the way I expected. Liberals bristle quickly when their biases and inconsistency are openly exposed.
At least Jindal has decided to go ahead an inject one turkey on Ash Wednesday.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:11 pm to hawkster)
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I thought the ACLU supported separation of church and state. Why haven't they chimed in to protest the catholic bishops' attempted interference in the legal system through coercion of the catholic governor? Shouldn't the ACLU urge the governor to ignore religious influence in the carrying out of a court-ordered criminal sentence of the child-murderer at Angola? I guess their pick and choose self-righteous principles in this case are as consistent as they are in the ACLU's (lack of) defense of the right of American citizens to keep and bear arms.
Translation: "I may not know anything about them, but I HATE the ACLU!!!  "
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hawkster
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| re: ACLU and Catholic Church in politics (Posted on 2/5/13 at 3:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Translation: "I may not know anything about them, but I HATE the ACLU!!!
I guess I thought the ACLU's position was that public policy should not be based on the liturgical calendar of the catholic church. My mistake.
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