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TigersRuleTheEarth
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At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


and start being a nuisance? Basically this guy open carries his AR 15 in various towns and videos his encounters with the police. He says he is trying to show that there are professional cops out there and trying to get the public "normalized" to seeing a guy with a rifle slung around his back walking up and down the street.

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1st of all, I agree with this guy and what he is trying to do so don't attack me in an irrational way saying I'm anti-gun. (I know that's a tall order for this board)

2nd: This video was taped after the Aurora Colorado theater shooting so you KNOW the cops are getting a call a second about the strange guy milling about downtown with a "military style" rifle slung around his back.

My question is this (and it was brought up by the officer in the video): Is this the best way to get the general public used to this sight? At what point does this guy become the opposite of an inspection sticker checkpoint; meaning he is taking up valuable police time with stupid bull shite when they could be off doing better things. The only difference is that it's a member of the public wasting police time instead of the police wasting their own time.







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CollegeFBRules
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


Man, don't apologize for posing a question. The absolute unreasonableness for discussion from this board on gun control makes me want to throw gas on the flame and call people out for their unwillingness to reasonably discuss an important topic.

As for your OP, this guy, like all self-important dipshits out there, is making a spectacle for personal acknowledgement. People are never going to be comfortable seeing a fricking civilian walking around in public with a gun thrown over their shoulder. I'd call the cops if I saw it too.






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Five0
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


911 What is your emergency?

There is a man with a gun walking down the street!

Is he threatening anyone, being hostile in anyway, or confronting anyone is particular?

No, he is just walking around.

We will send an officer to observe him. Open carry is legal and many of these people are just trying to get attention. We are going to handle this by not giving him any direct attention unless he is breaking the law.






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TigersRuleTheEarth
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


quote:

911 What is your emergency?

There is a man with a gun walking down the street!

Is he threatening anyone, being hostile in anyway, or confronting anyone is particular?

No, he is just walking around.

We will send an officer to observe him. Open carry is legal and many of these people are just trying to get attention. We are going to handle this by not giving him any direct attention unless he is breaking the law.


This would be in a perfect world, but after you get 50 calls from the public and no cops show up, the police will be accused of not doing their jobs.

I understand carrying a gun in a large city when walking down dark alleys at night, but you HAVE to agknowledge that a guy walking around with an AR15 in broad daylight is very suspicious. A good citizen reports something like that. What if the guy in that school shooting would have been walking down the street towards the school with his holstered pistols and his AR slung around his back? With your example 911 call, he would have never even been questioned until too late.

My point is that although it is legal, it is highly unusual. It would take a horrendous police force and apathetic citizens to allow a guy to walk up and down a street with that weaponry without being questioned. That leads to police having to take the time to go question him.

...and we're back to square one. If he is just doing it for fun, then he's an inspection sticker checkpoint.






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TigersRuleTheEarth
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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People are never going to be comfortable seeing a fricking civilian walking around in public with a gun thrown over their shoulder.


Exactly. It might fly in a rural area, but not in a large city. He's obviously not going hunting and if there are no shooting ranges, then the next logical thought is that he is up to no good.






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Turbeauxdog
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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People are never going to be comfortable seeing a fricking civilian walking around in public with a gun thrown over their shoulder


Disagree, of course people can get used to it over time.






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Five0
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


Barring anything illegal all the police can do is conduct a consensual contact. I've found that it is usually better not to give a self absorbed douche nozzle what they want. That includes the guy with the rifle and those that want me to make an illegal detention because they don't like another individual's legal activity.


This post was edited on 2/1 at 7:39 am


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Mike da Tigah
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


It's just new to people, and since they watch TV all day and all night are easily shaken with fear. Do they call the police to say there's a policeman walking down the street with a gun on his side? No, because they accept that, and that's what it's about.







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TigersRuleTheEarth
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It's just new to people, and since they watch TV all day and all night are easily shaken with fear


So you believe that what this guy is doing will eventually get the general public used to people walking the streets with rifles? If you do, then ok, but I'd have to disagree. There is no point in the future that people in an urban setting will consider this sight to be normal.

quote:

Do they call the police to say there's a policeman walking down the street with a gun on his side? No, because they accept that, and that's what it's about.


No one is arguing the point he is trying to make. All I'm asking is that is there a point in which the way he goes about teaching his lesson does more harm than good?






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Huck Finn
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


Apparently, they don't do enough here. My friend got accosted by EBRthe sherrifs in a restaurant (where alcohol isn't sold or consumed) for open carrying a .380 subcompact. He explained to them LA is an open carry state, and they actually had to call HQ to figure out if he was lying. BR's finest.





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TheDoc
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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He explained to them LA is an open carry state, and they actually had to call HQ to figure out if he was lying. BR's finest.


I'd expect nothing less






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ShoeBang
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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What if the guy in that school shooting would have been walking down the street towards the school with his holstered pistols and his AR slung around his back?


Did not have an AR-15 AMIRITE?






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TigersRuleTheEarth
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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Did not have an AR-15 AMIRITE?


I didn't really pay much attention to the news, but there were initially conflicting reports. Whether or not he took an AR into the school, he did own one. He either took it down with him, or left it in the trunk of his car.






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ShoeBang
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


I know, just trying to give you some crap.

No offense, and sorry if there was any.







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TigersRuleTheEarth
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


quote:

No offense, and sorry if there was any.



Nah. None taken. You have to have a thick skin around here.






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MrCarton
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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He either took it down with him, or left it in the trunk of his car.


 


No proof one way or another yet, but there us video of a shotgun being pulled from the car trunk, not AR style rifle.


Five0: have you been to the alabamaopencarry.com website? I am not personally a member, but they do have some good info and the forum would be very helpful in getting to know the intent of some if these guys. I am pretty sure they mostly OC pistols for reasons you and cfbrules stated earlier.






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a want
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


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start being a nuisance?


If you're openly carrying an AR 15, you've already created a nuisance.

Fire in a crowded theater, anyone?






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LSUGrrrl
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Member since Jul 2007
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


Look, I'm all for guns & open carry but doing stuff like this for no reason just hypes up the fear even more. If I saw a guy carrying an AR 15 or any type of rifle in a random place where I had my kids, I would be a little nervous.





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a want
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re: At what point do the open carry activists stop being informative


Actually this is a good scenario to discuss.

You know this is going to happen soon:

Some jackass is going to take his AR15, slung over his shoulder, into Target. Some other guy (who has a handgun in his pants) is going to see him...and think he's some sort of nutbag/wacko/murderer. He pulls his gun - the guy with the AR-15 swings his around - and we've got another 10 dead innocent civilians.






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Jbird
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