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Chad504boy 
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| An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 10:48 am)
I'd like to note a couple things.
He's been an NFL coach since 1979. Never has he been a defensive coordinator. That's a long time with no coordianting promotion. Secondly, he's worked mostly LB's and DB's. I do not think at this time he's ever been the LB coach of a 3-4 Defense. I think that's kind of the most important coach in our new system.
We have a secondary Coach void right now.
Joe Vitt's not getting fired.
Shall we move him to Secondary coach and hire a LB coach with more 3-4 expertise to help support and implement the new defense with our TBD Coordinator?
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10888bge 
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:01 am to Chad504boy)
I think the Saints will keep him on. He is the only one of the coaches standing up for Benson and the team, it seems.
He should be fine coaching the new LB scheme. 34 years in the league, he should know 3-4 scheme.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:06 am to 10888bge)
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34 years in the league, he should know 3-4 scheme.
better than someone that actually knows it and has experience teaching it?
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:10 am to Chad504boy)
he seems to be paytons right hand man. while he may keep the tile, I am sure he will be more of a quality control guy than actually drawing up the scheme and stuff.
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Chad504boy
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:11 am to diat150)
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he seems to be paytons right hand man. while he may keep the tile, I am sure he will be more of a quality control guy than actually drawing up the scheme and stuff.
ya'll are answering none of my talking points. for fricks sake.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:13 am to Chad504boy)
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better than someone that actually knows it
Your assertion that he does not know the 34 is without proof.
"In Sean I Trust", Chad can sit and enjoy the ride like the rest of us.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:13 am to 10888bge)
Whatever the role he stays. The DB idea is a good one. he has been a DB coach in the NFL for 8 years (Seahwaks 4, Rams 3, Packers 1) Even tho no HC or DC twice he has been the choice as interim HC. That sez a lot about his leadership.
Vitt resume
Joe Jr. is a Saints scout too
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:14 am to Chad504boy)
34 years. Vitt has probably forgotten more football then any of us will ever know. I think he would be fine as LB coach. But, whoever the Saints hire to be the DC will probably bring in their own guy to fill that spot.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:16 am to Sid in Lakeshore)
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Your assertion that he does not know the 34 is without proof.
Are we going to hire a Defensive Coordinator thats never coached a 3-4 before?
Then why would we want the most important assistant coach to have no experience coaching the 3-4 system as well? We will be transitioning many LB's who have little or to no NFL 3-4 experience, i think we need an experienced assistant to help us get on the fast track. Maybe it'll be good for Joe to see a change of pace in his coaching with the secondary.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:16 am to Chad504boy)
I think you're looking a little too hard into it.
Look at a guy like Jim Leavitt, the LB coach for 49ers, former head coach of USF, never ran a 3-4, yet the 49ers have the best linebackers in the league.
It's more about being able to teach at this level, not necessarily position coaches fitting a certain system, and Vitt should be able to do fine there.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:19 am to Chad504boy)
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i think we need an experienced assistant to help us get on the fast track. Maybe it'll be good for Joe to see a change of pace in his coaching with the secondary.
I agree that having a LB coach who's focus is the 3-4 would be better suited for the job. If one is not available then Vitt is serviceable. I would be interested to see him work with the DB's/Secondary.
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Chad504boy
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:19 am to EarthwormJim)
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I think you're looking a little too hard into it.
Look at a guy like Jim Leavitt, the LB coach for 49ers, former head coach of USF, never ran a 3-4, yet the 49ers have the best linebackers in the league.
It's more about being able to teach at this level, not necessarily position coaches fitting a certain system, and Vitt should be able to do fine there.
Maybe Maybe not i'm looking too hard into it, but that's exactly What Payton needs to be doing is looking very hard into it. Vitt is a guy with a dual background with LB and DB coaching experience. We have an option to move him around if its serving a greater purpose. A greater purpose which i think is clearly obvious.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:22 am to EarthwormJim)
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It's more about being able to teach at this level
agree, AND motivate- which I have no doubt is one of Vitt's specialties. The DC is more the schemer. The position guys are more on specific technique polishing is the way I see them. Joe has found his niche and is happy there. Just like some are good coordinators (Romeo or Haslett) but not cut out for HCing, some are position coaches and not coordinators.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:25 am to blueslover)
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The position guys are more on specific technique polishing is the way I see them.
Teaching Technique of something he's never taught before. Blues, do you see where he's been involved in a 3-4 D before in his career?
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:26 am to Chad504boy)
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Maybe Maybe not i'm looking too hard into it, but that's exactly What Payton needs to be doing is looking very hard into it. Vitt is a guy with a dual background with LB and DB coaching experience. We have an option to move him around if its serving a greater purpose. A greater purpose which i think is clearly obvious.
He hasn't coached DB's in over 10 years, seems like he's found his niche as a LB/Assistant head coach. Why not bring in a guy who has experience with DBs in the last 10 years?
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:30 am to EarthwormJim)
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He hasn't coached DB's in over 10 years, seems like he's found his niche as a LB/Assistant head coach. Why not bring in a guy who has experience with DBs in the last 10 years?
Because unlike a 3-4 system, He's at least coached DB's before. DB's in a 3-4 system have the smallest amount of change at least schematically and technique wise than the DL's and LB's.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:31 am to Chad504boy)
Blues, do you see where he's been involved in a 3-4 D before in his career?
You're capable of looking it up, have at it-
1979-1981 Baltimore Colts (Quality Control)
1982 Seattle Seahawks (Quality Control)
1983-1987 Seattle Seahawks (Asst LB)
1988-1991 Seattle Seahawks (FS/SS)
1992-1994 Los Angeles Rams (DB)
1995-1998 Philadelphia Eagles (LB)
1999 Green Bay Packers (DB)
2000-2003 Kansas City Chiefs (LB)
2004-2005 St. Louis Rams (Asst HC/LB)
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:32 am to blueslover)
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You're capable of looking it up, have at it-
Eye C all Fo-Three
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:34 am to Chad504boy)
Position coaches aren't locked in to certain schemes. There's been many position coaches that have gone from a 3-4 to a 4-3 or vice versa.
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| re: An Acute Discussion Regarding Assistant Coach Joe Vitt (Posted on 1/29/13 at 11:35 am to EarthwormJim)
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Position coaches aren't locked in to certain schemes
I understand and concede that theory. But answer this, could we be better off for it though? There lies the heart of the discussion.
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