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If you are ever in Alexandria, Virginia, then go by the old city burial grounds. I used to go and walk around in them when it snowed, because everything was so quiet there. There are five or six different cemeteries that abut each other including one national cemetery.

On the road that leads to the national cemetery look for the headstone of a young Confederate officer. It reads, "Killed at the Siege of Petersburg - A Candidate for the Seminary."

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Navytiger74
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why don't you address the points brought up?


Probably because I've lost interest. If precedent is any indication, this thread, like all Civil War threads, will go 9 pages and be filled with tons of historical revision, willful misinterpretation, and factual manipulation.

Here are some indisputable facts:

1. The South split the Union over a host of issues that I'm sure were in no way related to the institution of slavery, and then fired upon a Union Fort.
2. The North came down, and brought a helping of whoopass with them.
3. The South Surrendered.
4. Southerners won't shut the frick up about it.

The End.



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Meauxjeaux
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a nation that has largely been a force for good, and a world center of learning and innovation.


I thought you tards wanted to fundamentally change all that?






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bunky
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If you are ever in Alexandria, Virginia, then go by the old city burial grounds. I used to go and walk around in them when it snowed, because everything was so quiet there. There are five or six different cemeteries that abut each other including one national cemetery.

On the road that leads to the national cemetery look for the headstone of a young Confederate officer. It reads, "Killed at the Siege of Petersburg - A Candidate for the Seminary."

DEO VINDICE


Excellent post, in fact, the only relevant post in this thread. I'll be on the lookout next time I'm up there.






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bunky
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The bottom of this headstone reads:

"He was a courteous gentleman, a gallant Officer & Leader, Father and loving Husband"






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HNTIGER1980
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Here lies:
A racist who wanted to defend the ownership of other human beings with his death.
An embarrasment to the US of A.

Sometimes I really do wish you idiots had won the war. You would be coming into the north illegally from your 3rd world country though. GUARANTEED!






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Mike da Tigah
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Here are some indisputable facts:


You're missing quite a few


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1. The South elected to leave the union peacefully, and then after a stalemate where union forces refused to leave, fired upon a Union Fort, a fort that was used to justify invasion to begin the war by Lincoln, knowing full well that no sovereign nation could allow it to be occupied by a foreign nation and be recognized as sovereign to the rest of the world.


2. The North came down, and brought a helping of whoopass
with them, after getting their asses handed to them for the majority of the war, resulting in twice as many Union forces to Confederate dead.




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Navytiger74
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knowing full well that no sovereign nation could allow it to be occupied by a foreign nation and be recognized as sovereign to the rest of the world.


But a nation-state that allows its constituent parts to unilaterally come and go as they please can be recognized as sovereign by the world?

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The North came down, and brought a helping of whoopass with them, after getting their asses handed to them for the majority of the war, resulting in twice as many Union forces to Confederate dead.


Not every good helping of whoopass can be served
up without giving up some skin of your own. It was still served. And the effects were devastating to the region.






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Mike da Tigah
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But a nation-state that allows its constituent parts to unilaterally come and go as they please can be recognized as sovereign by the world?



Was not this very country founded upon the most basic principle of the right of the people to choose their own rulers? Self government, and the concent of the governed?

Read the Declaration of Independence and tell me where the CSA was in err.









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conservativewifeymom
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Wow, have you not heard about the principle of not speaking badly of the dead?!?! At least this man, God rest his soul, stood and died for something he truly believed in!





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WildTchoupitoulas
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suspension of habeus corpus was not.


Debateable:

The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.






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TheFolker
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nation-state


Does not compute.






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conservativewifeymom
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If you are ever in Frederick, Maryland, it's definitely worth a visit to see the cemetery where Francis Scott Key is buried. Along one of the walls is a fairly large number of Confederate soldier graves. Those buried there hail from all over the Confederacy. It is a very moving, peaceful place, conducive to quiet contemplation.





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deltaland
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You mean like George Washington, John Adams, and the rest of the Founding Fathers.


Kaboom.


Being a traitor is not a sin if you stand for the right reasons. I would believe those confederate soldiers who fought for their rights because of an oppressive government (and many did, a large percentage were not slave owners) and to protect there homeland were brave and righteous. Those few wealthy ones who did it only because they wished to preserve slavery were doing it for the wrong reasons.






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deltaland
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If the Confederates were traitors, then how come after losing they were not punished for treason and sentenced to death?





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bunky
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Wow, have you not heard about the principle of not speaking badly of the dead?!?! At least this man, God rest his soul, stood and died for something he truly believed in!


He went full retard.






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Godfather1
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They won, so they were not traitors, but revolutionaries. And I celebrate their honor and bravery.


Just an opinion, but I feel pretty certain Heaven doesn't differentiate between winners and losers in wars.






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Navytiger74
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Was not this very country founded upon the most basic principle of the right of the people to choose their own rulers? Self government, and the concent of the governed?


Yes, and we do so by elections. Your guy losing an election doesn't constitute a breach of the contract by the state. You aren't being governed "against your consent" every time a law passes that you didn't support. In a system such as ours, sometimes people with whom you profoundly disagree carry the day.

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Read the Declaration of Independence and tell me where the CSA was in err.


Aside from separating us from Britain, it is of no legal effect. Though it is a magnificent document, the constitution was drafted and ratified because the articles of confederation (drafted in the wake of the declaration itself) were not a workable or practical legal/political framework for a sovereign nation.






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bunky
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Just an opinion, but I feel pretty certain Heaven doesn't differentiate between winners and losers in wars.


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Slobodan Milosevic



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50Mullets
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you may want to consider taking your leave of these United States


The south tried to take it's leave. The north got all pissy and wouldn't allow it.






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