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re: Sean Payton reinstated - how it affects the NFC South
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:13 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:13 pm to GynoSandberg
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The past means nothing.
wait wait wait. but but 1 ring. and lombardi and woooo and 5 years ago and super bowl and yeahhhhhhh
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:17 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
The past means nothing as far as going forward
The past means a lot when comparing two franchises.
The past means a lot when comparing two franchises.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:46 pm to REG861
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So you see the Saints D getting better with the Graham contact coming up? I don't...
Yes, because it cant possibly get worse
I think this guy is on to something here.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:05 pm to SouljaBreauxTellEm
Here's how I look at the Saints. They were undisciplined with Peyton, they were undisciplined without him. Until they change that, they won't win in the playoffs. That Superbowl was a long time ago in NFL terms. The team is older. Brees hasn't been elite for 2 seasons now (in terms of turnovers and decision making).
I don't think the Falcons window has closed. Roddy White and Julio Jones almost guarantee that. Sure they lose Gonzales, but there are some good TEs available this year (Pitta, Bennett, Keller, Jared Cook, Fred Davis, and in my opinion Crabtree from Green Bay).
The Buccaneers also have an up-and-coming team. Freeman seemed to mature this year. Doug Martin is a stud. Schiano has brought a new mentality to the team.
If any team's window has closed, it may be the Saints'. Even if they get out of the South, I don't see them beating Green Bay, Seattle, Washington, or San Francisco.
I don't think the Falcons window has closed. Roddy White and Julio Jones almost guarantee that. Sure they lose Gonzales, but there are some good TEs available this year (Pitta, Bennett, Keller, Jared Cook, Fred Davis, and in my opinion Crabtree from Green Bay).
The Buccaneers also have an up-and-coming team. Freeman seemed to mature this year. Doug Martin is a stud. Schiano has brought a new mentality to the team.
If any team's window has closed, it may be the Saints'. Even if they get out of the South, I don't see them beating Green Bay, Seattle, Washington, or San Francisco.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:09 pm to PapiGogo
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Brees hasn't been elite for 2 seasons now (in terms of turnovers and decision making).
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They were undisciplined with Peyton, they were undisciplined without him
Without him ...YES. With him a MUCH better team. The Saints win at LEAST 10 games this year if Payton is on the sidlines. Thinking they would not have is just stupid.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:10 pm to PapiGogo
rofl
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:21 pm to PapiGogo
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. Brees hasn't been elite for 2 seasons now (in terms of turnovers and decision making).
Lulz
He's led the league in yards and TDs the past two seasons
In 2011, he had the best comp% and QB rating
In 2012, he was top 10 in both cats
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:24 pm to BilJ
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bdwolfpack is a dipshit, don't bother engaging the little retard
This
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:29 pm to hg
The Saints need to get better on their front seven on defense. I think what hurt them the most this year was how they couldn't stop the run. And I seriously doubt that the D will get any worse from what we saw this past season.
and lol at the guy who said Schiano has changed the culture at Tampa Bay. They had a player shoving one of their coaches on the sideline this year. Looks like they have some things to shore up there. But they do have a lot of money to spend again this year in free agency. They did do a good job of with a lot of their signings last year.
Falcons were a good ball club this past year but their lack of a running game finally caught up to them in the playoffs. Their fans might want to blame their D for that loss to the 49ers but the fact is they didn't get any help form the offense who failed to score any points in the second half.
and lol at the guy who said Schiano has changed the culture at Tampa Bay. They had a player shoving one of their coaches on the sideline this year. Looks like they have some things to shore up there. But they do have a lot of money to spend again this year in free agency. They did do a good job of with a lot of their signings last year.
Falcons were a good ball club this past year but their lack of a running game finally caught up to them in the playoffs. Their fans might want to blame their D for that loss to the 49ers but the fact is they didn't get any help form the offense who failed to score any points in the second half.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:39 pm to PapiGogo
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Here's how I look at the Saints. They were undisciplined with Peyton, they were undisciplined without him. Until they change that, they won't win in the playoffs
Just last season they had arguably the greatest offense of all time, and were seconds away from hosting the Giants in a NFC Championship game, in the superdome. You think they would've lost that?
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Brees hasn't been elite for 2 seasons now (in terms of turnovers and decision making).
The frick? This season wasn't up to his standards, sure. He was trying to win games for himself, they missed the play-calling of Payton. He still managed to throw for over 5000 yards, and over 40 touchdowns. That is just terrible.
Last season he had one of the greatest ever for a quarterback; shattering the passing yards record, throwing for 46 touchdowns, and the most impressive stat he had very well may be his completion % record.
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I don't think the Falcons window has closed
Neither do I, and it would be dumb to think that.
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The Buccaneers also have an up-and-coming team. Freeman seemed to mature this year. Doug Martin is a stud. Schiano has brought a new mentality to the team.
The same team that were an absolute shite-show the 2nd half of the season? The same team that had a chance for the playoffs, but lost 5 of their last 6 games?
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If any team's window has closed, it may be the Saints'.
They were 13-3 in 2011, they were a freakishly good team especially on offense.
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Even if they get out of the South, I don't see them beating Green Bay, Seattle, Washington, or San Francisco.
GB will always be tough, but they matchup well against each other. Unfortunately for the Saints, the past 2 match-ups against GB were at Lambeau. Both games came down to the wire. In the Superdome, I will take the Saints.
Seattle will be tough, especially at home, but I'd take NO at home vs them as well. The thing about Seattle is, they will have to battle SF for the division. The Saints would likely have a better chance of getting the higher seed.
Not really afraid of Washington, because although I see RG3 possibly having a very good career, not only is his health a concern, but defenses will be better prepared to scheme against him. They are also in a very tough division that would make it difficult for them to get a top 1 or 2 seed.
San Francisco is a tough team, no question, but just last season the Saints nearly beat them after going down by a large margin early and turning the ball over 5 times. They'd be the toughest matchup, but definitely beatable.
The biggest thing for the Saints, as far as playoffs are concerned is getting one of the top seeds. If the Saints get a #1 seed, I would take them against anyone.
Their defensive needs will be met, can't get any worse, I trust the front office and Mickey Loomis. Coach Sean Payton is back, and the team will come out with a huge chip on their shoulder. I assure, they will be going balls to wall next season. Window is far from closed.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:41 pm to GynoSandberg
He also led the league in turnovers. Turnovers are far more important than passing yards and completion percentage.
I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite.
The Saints were just as undisciplined with Peyton. They've been in the bottom 1/3 of the league in terms of penalty yards per game since 2008.
I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite.
The Saints were just as undisciplined with Peyton. They've been in the bottom 1/3 of the league in terms of penalty yards per game since 2008.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:43 pm to PapiGogo
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He also led the league in turnovers. Turnovers are far more important than passing yards and completion percentage.
I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite
You've got to be fricking kidding me
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:45 pm to PapiGogo
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I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite.
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The Saints were just as undisciplined with Peyton. They've been in the bottom 1/3 of the league in terms of penalty yards per game since 2008.
Ok SO. Thye went 13-3 last year and were two mins away from hosting the NFCCG. This year was an OFF year for the whole organization without Payton. If you can't see that you are just jealous or trolling. BOOK it the Saints win 12 games next year and may win it all.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:46 pm to PapiGogo
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The Buccaneers also have an up-and-coming team. Freeman seemed to mature this year
I guess you stop watching football at Thanksgiving.
In December (1-4)
107 of 209 1,304 yds 51.2% 6 TDs 10 INTs 10 sacks 5 fumbles 60 QB rating.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:48 pm to PapiGogo
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I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite.
9/10
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:56 pm to dukke v
No way. Don't let being a fan cloud your judgement.
If they do, I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong. I just don't see it. They play in New England, Chicago, and Seattle next season, and host the 49ers. Unless they go crazy with FAs this season, there are 4 losses right there. That doesn't include the divisional match-ups.
If they do, I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong. I just don't see it. They play in New England, Chicago, and Seattle next season, and host the 49ers. Unless they go crazy with FAs this season, there are 4 losses right there. That doesn't include the divisional match-ups.
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:58 pm to PapiGogo
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Here's how I look at the Saints. They were undisciplined with Peyton
Congrats, you are a tard..
Posted on 1/22/13 at 4:58 pm to PapiGogo
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They play in New England, Chicago, and Seattle next season, and host the 49ers. Unless they go crazy with FAs this season, there are 4 losses right there. That doesn't include the divisional match-ups.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:00 pm to PapiGogo
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I never said Brees wasn't good. I said he wasn't elite. People used to talk about him in the same breath as Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. He's not in the class anymore. Very good, not elite.
Yep truly a retard
Posted on 1/22/13 at 5:00 pm to PapiGogo
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They play in New England, Chicago, and Seattle next season, and host the 49ers
ALL winnable games. I don't think YOU understand what it will mean to this teamwith Payton on the sidelines next year. They will have to improve on D yes. But THIS is the NFL. They could also go 8-8. But I would say the odds are closer to 12 wins.BTW I am NO Saints homer. I am A FAN OF THR LEAGUE. Just staing that you are DEAD wrong about Brees and how much Payton will mean to the team.
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