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heehaw
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Republicans dont care about small government


I see so many Republicans on here claim they are "libertarian" or small government but when push comes to shove they dont keep that stance. No different from the elected officials. How can you be for small government, yet claim its alright to tell people what they can or cant put into their body (drugs), who they can marry, or if they can have an abortion? You talk about small government and deficits, yet many Republicans supported the Patriot Act and war in Iraq.

Do you not see the inconsistencies in your party's platform?







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AlaTiger
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You do realize that legalized abortion makes government bigger don't you? We're paying for a bunch of those abortions. How does protecting life make government bigger?

There are things that government is supposed to do. Keep the peace, protect the borders, regulate activity so we have a just society without corruption. Government can be as big as it needs to be in those areas.

There are lots of things that government is not supposed to do. It seems that Liberals are confused about the actual role and possibility of government.






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TheJacer
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I see so many Republicans on here claim they are "libertarian" or small government but when push comes to shove they dont keep that stance. No different from the elected officials. How can you be for small government, yet claim its alright to tell people what they can or cant put into their body (drugs), who they can marry, or if they can have an abortion? You talk about small government and deficits, yet many Republicans supported the Patriot Act and war in Iraq.

Do you not see the inconsistencies in your party's platform?



What? Are you trying to troll the conservatives on this board or just talking about establishment republicans?






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SoulGlo
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I see so many Republicans on here claim they are "libertarian" or small government but when push comes to shove they dont keep that stance.


This has soured a LOT of "independents" on Republicans. They say "small government," then go to Washington and waste time with DoMA(govt has no business in marriage to begin with) and other projects. They spend money on their pet projects, just not quite as much as Dems. When faced with the choice of Dem and Dem-lite-claiming-to-be-not-Dem, people choose the real thing. Republicans ACTUALLY going libertarian, at least on the Federal level, would go a LONG way toward making them relevant again.

Unfortunately, that won't happen.






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a want
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Do you not see the inconsistencies in your party's platform?


The biggest inconsistency is the lack of any real spending cuts in 30+ years. Democrats aren't any better at it, but then again, they don't position themselves as the party of smaller government.






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HempHead
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You do realize that legalized abortion makes government bigger don't you?


No. I understand your point if the taxpayer is responsible for the funding of procedures. If that is not the case, the legalization of abortion does nothing to grow government.

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There are things that government is supposed to do. Keep the peace, protect the borders, regulate activity so we have a just society without corruption. Government can be as big as it needs to be in those areas.


Borders only exist with governments, and peace-keeping is a job better left to individuals themselves than an institution based on violence. I don't even know how to address the proposition of 'regulating activity for a just society', that's just an absurd thing to expect a government to do.






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Radiojones
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I can't speak for all Republicans but I don't think there should be prohibition of any sort (this includes drugs). I also don't believe government should be in the marriage business. I deplore the Patriot Act and was sickened by it's passage and even more sickened as Obama has strengthened it. I am against abortion because I believe a fetus is a human being and should have the right to exist.

I had been for the ouster of Saddam Hussein since the first Gulf War. He was an evil man that thumbed his nose at the terms that he agree to when he surrendered. He also regularly shot at our aircraft and even tried to have a former president assassinated. That being said, I knew that any attempt to occupy Iraq (or any country for that matter) was going to go badly. I much would have rather us worked with anti-Saddam forces and had him taken out. Either way it was going to be ugly but something had to be done.






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buddhavista
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The biggest inconsistency is the lack of any real spending cuts in 30+ years. Democrats aren't any better at it, but then again, they don't position themselves as the party of smaller government.


pretty much this, but I would say there are inconsistencies in the platform of the republican party. Democratic one too. The biggest is the death penalty/abortion one. Both parties have, life is sacred unless its not sacred.






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Do you not see the inconsistencies in your party's platform?

well this is the whole point of the original tea party movement. former GOP'rs rebelling against "big government" GOP policies






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SlowFlowPro
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The biggest inconsistency is the lack of any real spending cuts in 30+ years.

again...enter the "tea party"

frick, they still got elected and are being vilified for standing up for what they believe in, in this respect

then progressives (i'm not saying you or anyone in this particular thread) say they're "extreme" or "obstructionist" and this becomes the narrative. so these people can either (1) compromise as hypocrites or (2) not compromise and be labelled extremists

it's a lose/lose scenario






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heehaw
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You do realize that legalized abortion makes government bigger don't you? We're paying for a bunch of those abortions.


We can have legalized abortions without the tax payer footing the bill. And you do realize that abortions decrease the number of people on the government teet and in prisons, dont you?

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regulate activity so we have a just society


That is way too vague. Sounds like an excuse to let government do pretty much anything they want, as long as its in the name of creating a just society.

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It seems that Liberals are confused about the actual role and possibility of government.


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It seems that Liberals are confused about the actual role and possibility of government.


And Republicans arent? TARP? The War on Drugs? Patriot Act? etc






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AlaTiger
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Borders only exist with governments, and peace-keeping is a job better left to individuals themselves than an institution based on violence. I don't even know how to address the proposition of 'regulating activity for a just society', that's just an absurd thing to expect a government to do.


You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Government is entrusted with providing for the common defense and keeping the peace. So, you have national defense and law enforcement. 2 major roles of government. "Regulating activity for a just society" would involve writing and enforcing laws that keep corruption from running wild and that allow for people to live their lives and conduct business under a reasonable expectation of honesty and justice.

I am simply advocating a "rule of law" in a society with a government who helps uphold it. I get that you are practically an anarchist, but could you at least try to understand a different point of view? You know, the one that represents the country you live in and every country in the Democratic West over the past 200 years?






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WikiTiger
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frick, they still got elected and are being vilified for standing up for what they believe in, in this respect

then progressives (i'm not saying you or anyone in this particular thread) say they're "extreme" or "obstructionist" and this becomes the narrative. so these people can either (1) compromise as hypocrites or (2) not compromise and be labelled extremists

it's a lose/lose scenario


Which is why its useless to attempt change within the system.

Change from within is impossible. The system has to crash.




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WikiTiger
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I am simply advocating a "rule of law" in a society with a government who helps uphold it. I get that you are practically an anarchist, but could you at least try to understand a different point of view? You know, the one that represents the country you live in and every country in the Democratic West over the past 200 years?


You're asking him to accept the use of violence as justified or even right?

Come on, man.







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TROLA
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Small government doesn't mean no government. Many would not in Washington would like a more state centric power than centralized Washington.





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HempHead
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You clearly don't know what you are talking about.


Clearly.

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Government is entrusted with providing for the common defense and keeping the peace.


Why should it be?

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"Regulating activity for a just society" would involve writing and enforcing laws that keep corruption from running wild and that allow for people to live their lives and conduct business under a reasonable expectation of honesty and justice.


What kind of laws in particular are you referring to?

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I get that you are practically an anarchist, but could you at least try to understand a different point of view?


There is no 'practically' to it. I certainly understand your point of view. I am just trying to question it, in order for you to defend it.

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You know, the one that represents the country you live in and every country in the Democratic West over the past 200 years?


Simply because it has existed in the 'Democratic West' for 200 years (which is a stretch by any means) does not merit its defense.

Could you explain how non-taxpayer funded abortion would grow government?






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BigJim
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The biggest inconsistency is the lack of any real spending cuts in 30+ years. Democrats aren't any better at it, but then again, they don't position themselves as the party of smaller government.


A lot of truthiness there but:

1. There were real cuts in the '90s mostly because of Bush I and the republican congress. I'll give you the 80's and 00's.

2. At least one party recognizes there is a problem. If AA is to be believed isn't that the first step?

3. One reason republicans aren't more forceful is that any cuts or reforms will be depicted as throwing old ladies in wheelchairs over cliffs. So Democrats are active opponents of balancing the budget.







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SlowFlowPro
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Which is why its useless to attempt change within the system.

Change from within is impossible. The system has to crash.

i don't fully disagree, but i'm just mainly pointing out the history-perception






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Srbtiger06
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I see so many Republicans on here claim they are "libertarian" or small government but when push comes to shove they dont keep that stance.


What?


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How can you be for small government, yet claim its alright to tell people what they can or cant put into their body (drugs), who they can marry, or if they can have an abortion?


Libertarians aren't supportive of those things. Sort of takes the "liberty" out of "libertarian".

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You talk about small government and deficits, yet many Republicans supported the Patriot Act and war in Iraq.


Libertarians don't support those.

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Do you not see the inconsistencies in your party's platform?


So all democrats are in 100% agreement on everything?






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Radiojones
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Change from within is impossible. The system has to crash.


I once had hope that this wasn't the case but I must say that it is looking more and more like crashing is the only way.






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