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ApexTiger 
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| So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/21/13 at 7:15 pm)
another election right?
But Obama gets to go all out in his second term for Gun Control, Gay rights, and equal pay (war on women), "lay off entitlements"...and fill in the blank.
I fail to understand this country's priorities.
I thought jobs were most important?
and #2 a balanced budget.
A recent poll suggests that 83% of Americans believe government spends way too much.
It doesn't sound like this term is going to be focused on what's most important.
Anyone surprised what Obama said today?
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Vlad The Inhaler 
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:51 am to ApexTiger)
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I fail to understand this country's priorities.
Some care about jobs and the budget, most care about appearing and feeling cool and enlightened, regardless of merit. Obama gives them that. Still others want to unabashedly continue their life on the take.
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a want
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:55 am to ApexTiger)
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republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win
This is like the Democratic party distancing itself from unions.
You have to "dance with the one that brung ya'".
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tiger1014
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:57 am to ApexTiger)
Obama is messing with these social issues at his own midterm peril.
There's this saying that the president should never be more than half a step in front of the country if they want to change something.
Obama is several steps ahead. And it will bite him if he keeps hounding on the social issues he's on right now.
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CamdenTiger
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:03 am to tiger1014)
Dude better listen to Bill Clinton on the guns. He might gain the liberal cred, but the mid-terms will be bloody for him. I don't think he cares, really. He'll decree what he wants, as he tries to have a left lagacy that Reagan enjoys from the right. This is all about him, I really feel for America, and the generations that have to suffer under this debt.......all for the glory of the liberal elite...
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Queen
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:05 am to a want)
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This is like the Democratic party distancing itself from unions.
Serious question, how has the dem party legitimately made an effort to publicly distance itself from unions?
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OMLandshark 
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:07 am to ApexTiger)
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another election right?
That and target hispanic voters.
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shinerfan
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:07 am to CamdenTiger)
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He might gain the liberal cred, but the mid-terms will be bloody for him.
This. There's a strong argument to be made that Republicans need to rein in the Religious Right before the next presidential year but '14 will be as big for the right as '10. Potentially bigger, depending on how many actual crazies get nominated.
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goatmilker 
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:09 am to tiger1014)
As with all 2 term Presidents there will be a coming battle between democratic leaders and BHO as one tries to cement his legacy and the other to strenghten their hand in coming elections.
Who gives in to whom?
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a want
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:14 am to Queen)
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Serious question, how has the dem party legitimately made an effort to publicly distance itself from unions?
They haven't. Unions are D bread and butter.
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Queen
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:16 am to a want)
OK - apparently I misunderstood your first post. Makes a lot more sense now...
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:25 am to ApexTiger)
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE keep running anti gay politicians. Especially ones that are very vocal about their opposition to gay marriage. Better yet, make sure they are adamant about pushing federal and state bans (like the ones in Minnesota were this last election) 
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BaylorTiger
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:25 am to Queen)
Please study the political development of Europe. They have been 25-35 years ahead of us. It'll be like looking into the future...it always has been.
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Jbird 
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:27 am to Colonel Toddy)
So you want people to be anti gay instead of accepting, merely for political points for a Dem party. Sweet Toddy, you apparently give a shite not for gay rights but more for political advancement of one party. 
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buddhavista
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:28 am to ApexTiger)
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So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win
another election right?
losing sucks. But definitely the social issues hurt the right, where as the social issues help the left. And really do you think Obama does anything on gay rights? I doubht much happens on gun control.
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FooManChoo 
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:34 am to ApexTiger)
If I remember correctly, Obama was the first president in recent history to we re-election with a crappy economy, and he was running against a guy who made a name for himself in the business world.
"It's the economy, stupid" doesn't really work anymore when you have so many people who would rather receive a welfare check than work two jobs to support themselves.
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:41 am to Jbird)
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So you want people to be anti gay instead of accepting, merely for political points for a Dem party. Sweet Toddy, you apparently give a shite not for gay rights but more for political advancement of one party.
Hardly. Go read up on what happened in Minnesota this past November. And I do think the Dems should listen to Bill Clinton about the gun issue.
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Jbird
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:43 am to Colonel Toddy)
So that explains why you want a large organized anti gay political entity? Still appears you give lips service to gay rights in the name of furthering the Dem Party. 
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Mohican
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:52 am to FooManChoo)
Obama is the ultimate strawman builder, yet half of America buys in.
By standing firm on civil rights he plants his opposition firmly against civil rights, whether they want to be or not.
It's an old debating strategy. I will argue with you intensely about something you don't wish to argue about so that you automatically take the position as a defense mechanism. Then I have you right where I want you.
It's true, Republicans should lay off especially gay marriage, but I fail to see where that has been the parties' main priority. Obama is making it their main priority and is telling them where they stand on it. Women's rights, the disabled, the mentally ill, the elderly. If Obama is for them, then Republicans are automatically in the opposing position.
The only way to get out of that trap is to give in on those issues and position yourself in a more fortified and reinforced position. Coalesce.
If you give in on social issues then you are better suited to attack on the real issue at hand... the economy and fiscal direction of the country.
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Colonel Toddy
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| re: So the republicans should lay off social issues if they want to win (Posted on 1/22/13 at 9:53 am to Jbird)
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So that explains why you want a large organized anti gay political entity? Still appears you give lips service to gay rights in the name of furthering the Dem Party.
Nothing could be further from the truth. I'll give you an example. The Minnesota Republicans pushed an anti gay marriage amendment in 2011. There was a HUGE backlash against this. Not only did the amendment fail, but the Democrats won the Governor's seat, and both houses in the legislature for the first time in over two decades. Now there is a better than good chance that gay marriage will be legalized in Minnesota in the next two years. Gay marriage was a Long away from being a reality in Minnesota. Now it's not. The social conservatives (Republicans) did the gay rights movement a huge favor here.
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