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fishfighter 
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| Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 4:48 am)
I been kicking around the idea of making out/selling pirouge kit plans. Doing a web search, I do see them out there, but 99% look like shite. That and most sellers don't even live here in Louisiana. 
In my kit, I would have a complete lay out plan, full size on paper. Would have the bowstems too! Was thinking of doing a DVD with pictures or video on how to do the build and contact info if one comes up with any questions.
The way I build them, it takes about 8-10 hours from start to finish. That depends on the weather due to glue set up time. Also, one doesn't need to know how to build boats with my plans along with very few tools needed.
If you were intersted in building your own pirouge, how much would you be willing to pay for a complete full size set of plans and the bowstems already cut?
I see most kits without the stems are selling anywere from $12 to as much as $60 plus shipping. The bowstems are the hardest thing to cut out and that will make or break a build.
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 7:42 am to fishfighter)
$12
Seriously, I'll review your product. I'be been wanting to build one. I live on the bayou but don't want to leave my kayak out. I want to have a pirogue (pee-rawg) that I can keep outside.
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Vol Fan in the Bayou 
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 8:48 am to fishfighter)
That range is about right. I'd start on the lower side of that range to start with.
Wasn't there a guy who posted plans and pictures of the process on here a few years back? I'm too lazy to look, but I'm almost positive I remember some.
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 9:04 am to fishfighter)
I think it would be a good idea to include the bowstems already cut, that would give you a leg up on the compitition.
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 9:17 am to fishfighter)
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fishfighter
Sounds like a good idea.
Do you make them regularly? The reason I ask is because I've been thinking of taking on the 134 mile Tour du Teche kayak/canoe race in a pirogue. Its the only sanctioned race in the world that has an exemption to allow pirougues. I've done it in a kayak. No one has ever completed it in a pirougue. Was thinking i'd have to build a custom boat to make it as efficient as possible while still being a pirogue and to have flotation to meet the "must float while swamped" rule. I may need to buy a set of plans and then figure out how to modify.
Considering this for the challenge of building the boat and the challenge to finish the race not the trophy.
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 11:58 am to tigers win2)
I'd make it as long as possible with a narrow beam and add a small fixed skeg on the bottom to keep it tracking straight.
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 11:59 am to fishfighter)
I thought there was a thread on here in the past...
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tigers win2
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/19/13 at 12:22 pm to TigerTaco)
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I'd make it as long as possible with a narrow beam and add a small fixed skeg on the bottom to keep it tracking straight.
Yeah, that is the idea. My kayak is 18 feet long and about 22 inches wide. I just need to make sure it's still recognizable as a true pirogue.
I know it will be slow and inefficient, but they changed it to a staged race so I can catch up to the others to start each days leg of the race. Of course, they will all be way more rested than me! Just something about the idea keeps coming back to me.
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fishfighter
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Wasn't there a guy who posted plans and pictures of the process on here a few years back? I'm too lazy to look, but I'm almost positive I remember some.
Was me.
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fishfighter
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/20/13 at 5:19 am to tigers win2)
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Do you make them regularly? The reason I ask is because I've been thinking of taking on the 134 mile Tour du Teche kayak/canoe race in a pirogue. Its the only sanctioned race in the world that has an exemption to allow pirougues. I've done it in a kayak. No one has ever completed it in a pirougue. Was thinking i'd have to build a custom boat to make it as efficient as possible while still being a pirogue and to have flotation to meet the "must float while swamped" rule. I may need to buy a set of plans and then figure out how to modify. Considering this for the challenge of building the boat and the challenge to finish the race not the trophy.
If you really want to, I could help you with a build to fit your needs.
Floation would not be a problem. The way the USCG sets that is that a boat with the floation has to float level at the surface of the water line.
Being builted out of wood, there would be no need of any floating. If you filled the boat, it would stay at the surface.
A long run like you talking about, how much gear/weight you have to have with you?
For a very fast pirouge, I would build it in the 14'-15' range with a 22" bottom and flair it out to about 30" with sides around 8" to drop weight. Using a yak paddle, that sucker would fly.
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tigers win2
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/20/13 at 5:59 am to fishfighter)
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Being builted out of wood, there would be no need of any floating. If you filled the boat, it would stay at the surface.
A long run like you talking about, how much gear/weight you have to have with you?
Yeah, I understand the rim of boat would float just at the surface due to being made of wood, but they've made other similar boats, wooden canoe and wooden skiff looking boat, add a little flotation. They were signed up for just one leg of the race.
As far a weight, 220ish pounds. Paddler, 2 paddles, red/ green and white navigation lights (required), food/water and electronics (gps, camera, music etc)
I'm not sure i could do this year's race because I've got two big activities already scheduled just before it and a shoulder that is in need of surgery.
Tour du Teche
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fishfighter
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/20/13 at 1:43 pm to tigers win2)
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As far a weight, 220ish pounds. Paddler, 2 paddles, red/ green and white navigation lights (required), food/water and electronics (gps, camera, music etc)
In that case, a 14' would do. My 14' can hold 450lbs with no problems.
As far as running lights, look into LED battery powered lights.
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tigers win2
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| re: Building pirouge plans (Posted on 1/20/13 at 2:18 pm to fishfighter)
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As far as running lights, look into LED battery powered lights.
I've got everything but the Pirogue (and experience in one). All of the multi-day kayak races require lights so I would just use the lights I put on my kayak for those races.
How heavy do you think 14ft boat would be? We have several portages around dams and locks. No one but the paddler can move the boat during race so I'd be carrying or dragging it on my own.
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