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Jimbeaux
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Al Quaida in Pakistan, Yemen, etc. now Mali and Syria


The so-called Arab Spring has Islamic militants gaining in strength across the Middle East and Northern Africa, and their strength is undiminished in Asia, across Arabia and Ancient Persia.

While we all sit and debate basically useless new gun laws and expenditures that won't produce jack squat in lowering gun violence, the news is coming in from various fronts that Islamic militants are winning the "War on Terror".

This is not a thread to criticize the current administration, although there is room for legitimate criticism. I come to ask a question and to point out that we seem to be taking our eye off of the ball with the combinination of distractions on the home front.

What is the end game for Al Quaida, the Islamic Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, and other islamic militants?

Would they be appeased by Western withdrawal from the Middle East, Arabia, Ancient Persia, Northern Africa? The dissolution of the state of Israel? More rights asserted in Western countries to establish Muslim enclaves with acceptance of Sharia Law?

Is it the nature of Al Quaida to continue fighting, with the use of terror and any other means necessary, to spread Islam across the globe?

Is there any appeasing the Islamic militants? Is peace possible between the West and Islam?

Will this be a generational battle, an actual global conflict between non-state coalitions of jihadists and Western nations using covert warfare, drone attacks, paramilitaries, methods of torture or "near-torture", and inclduing periodic arial and ground assaults as necessary for the next 3 or 4 decades?

Is there any end in sight for the forseeable future? If not, is there a forseeable event or combination of events that would cause Western nations to escalate and expand the scope of the war?

The question of whether to aid the French in Mali in slowing the advancement of Al Quaida must be taken in the full context. What next? Are we even stemming the tide of the advancement of militant Islam? Are we just fighting a losing battle?








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pistolpete23
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Al Quaida


I thought that they were on the run. Isn't that what the President told us?



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Zed
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I come to ask a question and to point out that we seem to be taking our eye off of the ball with the combinination of distractions on the home front.
We seem to be pursuing them just about wherever they pop up. Yemen, Pakistan, Somali, Mali, etc. I'd say we're doing what we can to contain them.
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What next? Are we even stemming the tide of the advancement of militant Islam? Are we just fighting a losing battle?

I don't think it's a battle we're ever going to win. We can take out their leadership, go after their money, make their environment less hospitable, but we can't eradicate them. We'll be at it for a while I think.






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Broketec
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More rights asserted in Western countries to establish Muslim enclaves with acceptance of Sharia Law?


First of all...why are you suggesting we appease Al Quaida? Secondly...are you expecting the United States to adapt to Sharia law within our own country to be a more attractive country to a group of terrorists?!
Love that Sharia law where drug trafficers get put to death. Especially in an age where prohibition is slowly crumbling before our eyes. That'll go over well.






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Jimbeaux
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First of all...why are you suggesting we appease Al Quaida?



No. It's an academic question. Are they even appeasable? Do they have what can be considered a legitimate gripe that if mollified, would result in peaceful relations with the West?






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WildTchoupitoulas
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What is the end game for Al Quaida, the Islamic Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban, and other islamic militants?

All different. Hamas and Al Qaeda don't really get along, for example.
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Is it the nature of Al Quaida to continue fighting, with the use of terror and any other means necessary, to spread Islam across the globe?

I would say yes. However, the less they have to fight about, the less support they will get from the local populace.

After September 11th, we were told that the reason we wer attacked was because they are jealous of us. Anyone questioning this was labeled a traitor. This oversimplistic view has not served us.

We need to stop and think about why any group of people is interested in attacking us - from an objective point of view. Only once we ascertain their motives can we try to come to a solution.

What if it really was mostly about maintaining military bases on holy soil that got them so riled up in the first place?

ETA: Looks like we're pretty much on the same page.



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HonoraryCoonass
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Has to be wrong. Al Quaida has been decimated.





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Broketec
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Are they even appeasable? Do they have what can be considered a legitimate gripe that if mollified, would result in peaceful relations with the West?


Oh!
Absolutely not. Even if, overnight, the united states became the middle east, we would still have to be erradicated for past crimes against Allah or Ballah or whatever.

Peaceful relations would only occur, in my opinion, is if the "west" ceased to exist and there would be no more entity to jihad. So "peace" would happen by default. Can't fight an enemy when the enemy doesn't exist anymore.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Can't fight an enemy when the enemy doesn't exist anymore.

You also can't fight an enemy when you can't find any supporters or recruits.

Take the cause away and you limit their effectiveness to fight.






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Broketec
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Take the cause away and you limit their effectiveness to fight.


The cause for thier fight will exist as long as they are extremist in thier beliefs that the "west" is a poison on thier precious Earth.

That won't change anytime soon or if ever. For them to quit fighting, the United States would have to cease to exist. Plain and simple.






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Zed
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The cause for thier fight will exist as long as they are extremist in thier beliefs that the "west" is a poison on thier precious Earth.
That might be their stated cause, but what motivates recruits? Are they all just religious nutjobs, or do some hate Americans for nonreligious reasons?






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Broketec
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That might be their stated cause, but what motivates recruits? Are they all just religious nutjobs, or do some hate Americans for nonreligious reasons?


Couldn't tell ya. I don't think anyone can.
And they are only "nutjobs" by our standards. By thier own standards they are probably exactly where they need to be in thier religious dedication.

I'm sure it hurts thier feelings that we are the great devil, doing everyday what thier law says should result in the death penalty and living happy lives (most of us at least).

Who knows...






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SundayFunday
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Al Quaida in Pakistan, Yemen, etc. now Mali and Syria


Yeah but they are ON THE RUN in those countries. So stop worrying.

Here is a new episode of The real housewives of miami, stop worrying about the world around you. Our dear leader has it covered.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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The cause for thier fight will exist as long as they are extremist in thier beliefs that the "west" is a poison on thier precious Earth.

But they have to continue to convince other people of that. If they cannot, they lose their effectiveness to fight.
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For them to quit fighting, the United States would have to cease to exist. Plain and simple.

You're wrong, plain and simple.

What's more, this line of thought is dangerous. It presumes that we are in an eternal war with an eternal enemy. The ramifications of this are continued eroding of our rights by our government.

War is to be avoided at all costs as it necessarily erodes our individual liberties. This includes 'wars' such as the Cold War, the War on Poverty, the War on Drugs and the War on Terror. Therefore the government wants us to believe that war is etrenal, that way it can grow its power.

If you just buy into the government line about why we are fighting, you have lost.




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WildTchoupitoulas
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That might be their stated cause...

Whose?

Not Bin Laden's:

Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.

While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:

(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
(Q2) What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:

(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us...


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Ace Midnight
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You're behind the times, bud - there's Al Queda in Baton Rouge.





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LSUwag
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Al Quaida


I thought Obama defeated those guys with drone attacks.






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GhostofJackson
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Those who hope to usher in a global caliphate certainly dont want these wars to end. Easy to recruit more members.





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CajunAngele
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al Quaida is cousins of the MB or outright immediate family? Obama got this one he defied and usurped congress and sent them more money in Egypt.

Nothing to see here move along.






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kingbob
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The radical segments of Islam want the following:
1. The annihilation of Israel as a Jewish State.
2. The end of all Western military occupation of the Muslim world and all Western meddling in Middle Eastern politics
3. Conversion of all infidels to the one true faith.

Though these goals are lofty, 2/3 are very well supported within the rest of the Muslim World, if just #2 was accomplished, the popular support for these groups by moderate Muslims would be greatly reduced as would their recruiting base. If both 1 and 2 were to come to fruition, nearly all support for terrorist groups from non-radicals would completely disappear.

However, although I would advocate publicly for number 2, I would never endorse goal 1 or 3.






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