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udtiger
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How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


...while others do not and cannot?

Specifically:

Why is it that firearms (which the 2nd Amendment protects the right to keep and bear) are subject to such oppresive laws (with more coming), YET the right to vote, and such "rights" as abortion, can have hardly ANY restrictions/regulations?







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braindeadboxer
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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and such "rights" as abortion








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Newbomb Turk
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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and such "rights" as abortion







Here's the Constitution.

I can easily show you where it says my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

PLEASE show us where there is a Constitutional right to an abortion.






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alexman
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Why is it that firearms (which the 2nd Amendment protects the right to keep and bear)


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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Are you in a militia? Nope
Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep



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Eighteen
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Are you in a militia? Nope
Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep








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John McClane
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


Look at this Constitutional and American History scholar over here....

That was a good one alexman






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doubleb
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Why is it that firearms (which the 2nd Amendment protects the right to keep and bear) are subject to such oppresive laws (with more coming), YET the right to vote, and such "rights" as abortion, can have hardly ANY restrictions/regulations?


Because the state has decided which "right" are more important..Voting, somehow it's bad to guarantee one man one vote by having voters show picture IDs.

But there's nothing wrong with background checks, etc. when buying a gun.

Abortion? Why it's up to the mother and even abortion clinics escape a lot of the same laws hospitals have to adhere to as far as inspections and health regs.

People would scream to high heavens if a pregnant woman wanted an abortion, and to get one she had to present and ID and have her background checked.

Some "rights" are given more weight than others. Property rights have almost vanished after the decision in connecticut(I believe) to let the state take someone's property so a developer could use it to improve the state's welfare.







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braindeadboxer
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep


How about reading the Federalist papers that go along with the bill of rights before vomiting from your mouth.






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UncleFestersLegs
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Are you in a militia? Nope


See: Heller

quote:

The Supreme Court held:[43]

(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.






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alexman
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


I agree that we should be able have guns but dont quote the constitution which says something different. The only think i am not in favor of is somebody being allowed to walk around in public with a high powered rifle on their back.





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braindeadboxer
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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I agree that we should be able have guns but dont quote the constitution which says something different. The only think i am not in favor of is somebody being allowed to walk around in public with a high powered rifle on their back.


The founding fathers say otherwise. As do multiple SCOTUS rulings since then on the subject. And to be honest, we don't care what you think. As much as it may pain you, you're opinion really doesn't even matter.






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buddhavista
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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and such "rights" as abortion, can have hardly ANY restrictions/regulations?

well that just isnt true.

pretty much every restriction on access to abortion has been upheld as constitutional by the USSC. waiting periods, ultrasounds, parental permission, etc have all been allowed.

eta: yall are poorly informed. Requiring ID to vote is constitutional. You just have to give sufficient notice and provide free IDs




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UncleFestersLegs
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Here's the Constitution.

I can easily show you where it says my right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed upon.

PLEASE show us where there is a Constitutional right to an abortion.


quote:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.






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CITWTT
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


Are you familiar with the definition of the word "bear" other than describing a mammal?





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TigerintheNO
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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YET the right to vote,.... can have hardly ANY restrictions/regulations?


We had to add 3 additional admendments to include voting rights for everyone.






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alexman
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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The founding fathers say otherwise. As do multiple SCOTUS rulings since then on the subject. And to be honest, we don't care what you think. As much as it may pain you, you're opinion really doesn't even matter.


Yes i love sitting in a coffee shop when some stranger walks in with his rifle around his shoulder. i have no clue who he his, what his motives are. This shoud definitely be allowed






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doubleb
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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We had to add 3 additional admendments to include voting rights for everyone.


Are these amendments less important than the others?






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Paluka
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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Was this written when the common weapon was a muskett which can not be used for mass killings? Yep


I really dislike this argument because it attempts to use the context in which the 2nd Amendment was written as a means to discard it for a variety of reasons.

Is it not just as simple to state that since the technology has expanded (to include more sophisticated weapons)that so should the 2nd Amendment be expanded to include comparable weapons?



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Ace Midnight
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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PLEASE show us where there is a Constitutional right to an abortion.


Indirectly through the "right to privacy", which was inferred through the "penumbra" of rights.

(In other words, 7 members of SCOTUS said it was so.)






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alexman
Member since Oct 2012
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re: How come some constitutional rights can have such massive restrictions...


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As do multiple SCOTUS rulings since then on the subject.


The Supreme court ruled that corporations should have the rights of an individual.

I understand some rulings have been in favor of this but that doesnt make them right. There is a lot more to politics than you think. A lot of what happens has to do with lobbying and pleasing some masses to get re-elected






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