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For the few wanting to blame the defense...
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:25 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:25 am
Let's try and put in perspective this way, comparing to other SEC teams to play in bowls thus far:
LSU played Clemson, a proven good offense. We gave up 25 points. We were on the field for 101 plays! After special teams are taken off, probably closer to 90-95. I bet they were a bit tired.
Georgia played Nebraska, a much lesser offense. They allowed 31 points. They were only on the field for 71 plays, even less once you count special teams. And won.
South Carolina played Michigan, a team using their QB as a running back and using a backup QB. South Carolina gave up 28 points. The were on the field 85 plays. After special teams, probably 75ish. And won.
Mississippi State played Northwestern, an even worse offense. They gave up 34 points while being on the field for 78 plays. Around 70ish for after special teams are removed.
Vanderbilt played a just bad NC State team. Their defense was on the field for 80 plays, so really around 80, and allowed 24 points.
Now we played the best offense of the bunch, only had one team give up less points(and only 1 less to NC State) and were on the field for an average of about 20 more plays.
What's the significance of 20 plays??? That's five drives for our offense.
LSU played Clemson, a proven good offense. We gave up 25 points. We were on the field for 101 plays! After special teams are taken off, probably closer to 90-95. I bet they were a bit tired.
Georgia played Nebraska, a much lesser offense. They allowed 31 points. They were only on the field for 71 plays, even less once you count special teams. And won.
South Carolina played Michigan, a team using their QB as a running back and using a backup QB. South Carolina gave up 28 points. The were on the field 85 plays. After special teams, probably 75ish. And won.
Mississippi State played Northwestern, an even worse offense. They gave up 34 points while being on the field for 78 plays. Around 70ish for after special teams are removed.
Vanderbilt played a just bad NC State team. Their defense was on the field for 80 plays, so really around 80, and allowed 24 points.
Now we played the best offense of the bunch, only had one team give up less points(and only 1 less to NC State) and were on the field for an average of about 20 more plays.
What's the significance of 20 plays??? That's five drives for our offense.
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Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:30 am to NWLATigerFan12
its a losing effort by the whole team. 25 points didnt come in the 4th quarter. 350 passing yards didnt come in the 4th quarter. They struggled through out the game in spots. Clemson socred with ease on the 2nd drive and ran 11 plays. The defense shouldnt be tired in the first quarter.
In fact Clemson scored more points in the first half than they did in the second.
In fact Clemson scored more points in the first half than they did in the second.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:30 am to NWLATigerFan12
It's not just the shitty offense, giving up 32 1st downs contributes to them running a shitload of plays too.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:35 am to dgnx6
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its a losing effort by the whole team. 25 points didnt come in the 4th quarter. 350 passing yards didnt come in the 4th quarter. They struggled through out the game in spots. Clemson socred with ease on the 2nd drive and ran 11 plays. The defense shouldnt be tired in the first quarter.
In fact Clemson scored more points in the first half than they did in the second.
They scored 12 of 25 in the 4th quarter. They had 200 yards in the 4th quarter. They ran 34 plays in the 4th quarter. Coincidentally the offense had NOTHING but 3&outs in the last 20 minutes of the game. Do you think perhaps the two are connected?
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:39 am to nf
We played a weak zone on that last drive. He gave them a 4th and 16 conversion, the defense had its chances to get off the field.
That being said they played their hearts out, and were gassed
That being said they played their hearts out, and were gassed
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 1:40 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:43 am to dgnx6
10 of the 15 offensive drives for Clemson ended in a fumble, punt, or turnover on downs.
They won the field position game too. LSU's offense started 9 of the 15 drives from our own 30 or closer, 4 of them from their side of the 50...of those 9, we scored on only 3. Gotta take advantage of those.
They won the field position game too. LSU's offense started 9 of the 15 drives from our own 30 or closer, 4 of them from their side of the 50...of those 9, we scored on only 3. Gotta take advantage of those.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:45 am to SammyTiger
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We played a weak zone on that last drive. He gave them a 4th and 16 conversion, the defense had its chances to get off the field.
That being said they played their hearts out, and were gassed
That 4th and 16 was a perfect pass that was well covered. It wasn't perfectly covered, but about as well as you can ask for from our young secondary, Boyd just made a fantastic throw.
Chavis did play soft in the 4th, probably because he stupidly assumed that even if they gave up a score the offense would take SOMETHING off the clock before giving the ball back. Keep in mind that they needed 3 drives to win and if the offense had done their job (under a very loose interpretation where doing their job means getting a single first down) on any of their last 3 drives it wouldn't have happened.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:48 am to nf
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That 4th and 16 was a perfect pass that was well covered. It wasn't perfectly covered, but about as well as you can ask for from our young secondary, Boyd just made a fantastic throw.
I disagree it wasn't a a great throw, all the DBs were behind the player, and not even that close.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:55 am to SammyTiger
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I disagree it wasn't a a great throw, all the DBs were behind the player, and not even that close.
Nope, Reid is underneath running with him and there is coverage over the top as well. Boyd simply fits the ball between the two of them and Reid doesn't get his head around quite in time. Feel free to watch it:
LINK
Around 5:20 in.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:58 am to nf
Your right. Still shouldn't have happened.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 1:59 am to nf
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They scored 12 of 25 in the 4th quarter. They had 200 yards in the 4th quarter. They ran 34 plays in the 4th quarter. Coincidentally the offense had NOTHING but 3&outs in the last 20 minutes of the game. Do you think perhaps the two are connected?
did you quote my post and not read the fricking thing? I said it was a losing effort by the TEAM.
Yes the 4th they had long sustained drives but they had that in the 1st and 2nd as well. What is the excuse then? The offense completely blew it in the 4th quarter and the defense suffered on that last drive.
3rd quater was the best for both units. We only had the ball twice in the 4th quarter because the d couldnt get off the fricking field. So again the O only had the ball twice in the 4th so i dont understand how it can be completely on them. even though they didnt make the most of their chances they werent given that many.
we had the ball 5 times in the 3rd and actually looked like we were going to break away. We also had a one play scoring drive and you cant blame the offense for that. Scoring quickly and going 3 and out leaves the same affect, the d is on the field longer. But the d was barely on the field in the 3rd. They shouldnt have been worn down going into the 4th.
I may be wrong but the longest drive of the 3rd was when the defense had penalties. Still not the offenses fault. Which is why i think it was a losing effort from the team but everyone just focuses on the offense when the offense scored 24 pts and we were leading going into the 4th.
Clemson had the ball going into the 4th and their longest drive of the afternoon was that drive that took 5:26 off the clock and they kicked a field goal. Our o doesnt get the ball in the 4th until the 9:26 mark. That is not on them.
This post was edited on 1/2/13 at 2:25 am
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:01 am to dgnx6
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did you quote my post and not read the fricking thing? I said it was a losing effort by the TEAM.
Any loss is a losing effort by the team because to lose the defense had to let them score at least once and therefore they failed. This was much more a losing effort by the offense than the defense (whereas the Ole Miss and Arkansas games were definitely defensive catastrophes).
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:01 am to NWLATigerFan12
Clemson, one of the best offenses in the country, had just 13 points going into the 4th quarter.
If LSU's offense does their job, they not only keep Clemson's offense off the field, but they keep their own defense fresh and better help them to shut down Clemson even more.
This wasn't on the defense at all. The defense did their job.
If LSU's offense does their job, they not only keep Clemson's offense off the field, but they keep their own defense fresh and better help them to shut down Clemson even more.
This wasn't on the defense at all. The defense did their job.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:20 am to dgnx6
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Which is why i think it was a losing effort from the team but everyone just focuses on the offense when the offense scored 24 pts and we were leading going into the 4th.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on the rest, but keep in mind that the defense gave the offense two turnover inside the Clemson 30 and LSU got 10 points out of those. Without those turnovers we're looking at 14 offensive points. That is not a good effort.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:28 am to nf
and if they didnt get those turnovers clemson prob would have scored more so id say the d did their job on those drives and the offense did get points like they should have.
Like i said the longest drive of the night was the first drive of the 4th quarter which was by the clemson offense when the d shouldnt have been tired yet. They wore us down.
Like i said the longest drive of the night was the first drive of the 4th quarter which was by the clemson offense when the d shouldnt have been tired yet. They wore us down.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:38 am to dgnx6
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and if they didnt get those turnovers clemson prob would have scored more so id say the d did their job on those drives and the offense did get points like they should have.
Like i said the longest drive of the night was the first drive of the 4th quarter which was by the clemson offense when the d shouldnt have been tired yet. They wore us down.
That first drive of the 4th quarter was long because LSU was playing soft and forcing Clemson to use a lot of time. It was long by design. LSU forced them to use almost 6 minutes and they came out with only a field goal, making it still an 8 point game. That is a good outcome. The bad outcome is when the offense can't stay on the field at all on the next drive and puts the defense back on the field. Where they spend another 5 minutes and 11 plays and then hand the offense a lead AGAIN with less than 3 minutes to play and the offense AGAIN can't stay on the field and burns only 1 minute of time without requiring Clemson to use a single time out.
If you are up by 11 going into the 4th quarter and you can trade 6 minutes of game time for 3 points most defenses will take that trade. But then most defenses aren't shackled to an absolutely putrid offense, so there you go.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:48 am to nf
quote:it was a horrible throw our d just let their best reciever run untouched off the line and had two other dbs playing 40 yards off the line.
That 4th and 16 was a perfect pass that was well covered. It wasn't perfectly covered, but about as well as you can ask for from our young secondary, Boyd just made a fantastic throw
Posted on 1/2/13 at 2:59 am to tigerswin03
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it was a horrible throw our d just let their best reciever run untouched off the line and had two other dbs playing 40 yards off the line.
Hey, maybe watch the play before you talk! The DBs were playing off the line because they needed 16 yards, so why would you play the like you're trying to stop a 5 yard gain? Reid picks him up about 10 yards into the route and within a yard or two of him the whole route. There is another player over the top who is about 2 yard away when the catch is made.
The DBs played some incredibly stupid soft coverage but why the frick would you play right on the line on 4th and 16? You play back and force a throw into coverage, which Tahj made.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:00 am to nf
you shouldn't be able to throw underneath the coverage for a 16 yard gain.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 3:02 am to SammyTiger
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you shouldn't be able to throw underneath the coverage for a 16 yard gain.
But he didn't. Reid was right there. The ball damn near hits him in the back, he just didn't get his head around in time to see the pass coming.
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