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SW Episode 2 Question
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:49 pm
So, is it common knowledge that Dooku was or wasn't the apprentice after Maul was killed?
Lucas kind of leads you to believe that was the case, but Dooku clearly tells Kenobi the whole Palps plan, and essentially names him as the Sith Lord. Also the expanded universe leads us to believe that Ventress is the apprentice after Maul. That makes Dooku just a pawn of Palps. Kind of a third rate billing for the guy that whips Kenobi and Annie together.
Lucas kind of leads you to believe that was the case, but Dooku clearly tells Kenobi the whole Palps plan, and essentially names him as the Sith Lord. Also the expanded universe leads us to believe that Ventress is the apprentice after Maul. That makes Dooku just a pawn of Palps. Kind of a third rate billing for the guy that whips Kenobi and Annie together.
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Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:58 pm to Lakefront-Tiger
Given how much I know of the universe, it's telling to me that I honestly never cared to think about dooku's backstory.
Oh, and Ventress would have been much cooler on screen than Dooku imo.
Oh, and Ventress would have been much cooler on screen than Dooku imo.
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:51 pm to Lakefront-Tiger
I think he was just a pawn with force ability. Had he been a lord of the sith he would have had the title to go along with it. JMO. Darth Dooku instead of Count Dooku. frick I hate the name Dooku.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 2:32 am to Lakefront-Tiger
Dooku was lame as frick
Posted on 12/29/12 at 5:47 am to Lakefront-Tiger
NM
This post was edited on 12/29/12 at 5:51 am
Posted on 12/29/12 at 6:48 am to Scoop
Although he was once a respected Jedi Master, Dooku became disillusioned with the Jedi Council and became one of the "Lost Twenty" to leave the Order. A few years before the events of Episode II, Dooku falls to the dark side of the Force, at which time he is initiated into the ways of the Sith by Darth Sidious, who bestows upon his new pupil the title of Darth Tyranus.
Dooku returns to Coruscant, where it is revealed that he is really the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious (Ian McDiarmid)
The film's novelization states Sidious and Dooku intend to turn Anakin to the dark side. Dooku intends to appoint him as head of a new Sith Army.[1] Dooku and Sidious seek to eliminate Obi-Wan Kenobi, who has a steadying influence on Anakin.[2] Sidious promises him the operation will result in the destruction of the Jedi and the Republic, to be replaced by the Galactic Empire.[3]
In the ensuing duel, Kenobi is incapacitated, leaving Anakin and Dooku to fight alone. Anakin channels his hatred of Dooku and taps into the dark side to overpower him, severing both Dooku's hands and leaving him helpless. Palpatine then orders Anakin to kill Dooku; after initial hesitation, Anakin decapitates Dooku in cold blood.
The novelization depicts this scene from Dooku's point of view. In his final moments, he realizes that Sidious had never intended for him to be his apprentice. Sidious had merely been using him as a means to engineer the Clone Wars, and as a placeholder for the true apprentice: Anakin Skywalker.[4]
Dooku returns to Coruscant, where it is revealed that he is really the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious (Ian McDiarmid)
The film's novelization states Sidious and Dooku intend to turn Anakin to the dark side. Dooku intends to appoint him as head of a new Sith Army.[1] Dooku and Sidious seek to eliminate Obi-Wan Kenobi, who has a steadying influence on Anakin.[2] Sidious promises him the operation will result in the destruction of the Jedi and the Republic, to be replaced by the Galactic Empire.[3]
In the ensuing duel, Kenobi is incapacitated, leaving Anakin and Dooku to fight alone. Anakin channels his hatred of Dooku and taps into the dark side to overpower him, severing both Dooku's hands and leaving him helpless. Palpatine then orders Anakin to kill Dooku; after initial hesitation, Anakin decapitates Dooku in cold blood.
The novelization depicts this scene from Dooku's point of view. In his final moments, he realizes that Sidious had never intended for him to be his apprentice. Sidious had merely been using him as a means to engineer the Clone Wars, and as a placeholder for the true apprentice: Anakin Skywalker.[4]
This post was edited on 12/29/12 at 6:51 am
Posted on 12/29/12 at 6:53 am to bulldog95
Expanded Universe[edit] Comic booksIn the Star Wars: Republic series, set during the Clone Wars, Dooku trains multiple Dark Jedi apprentices, most of whom he uses as minions. His apprentices include Ventress, Tol Skorr and, most notably, renegade Jedi Quinlan Vos, who initially intends to infiltrate the Separatists as a spy for the Jedi Council, but instead nearly falls to the dark side.
[edit] NovelsDooku appears as a main or secondary villain in many Expanded Universe novels.
[edit] Legacy of the JediIn Jude Watson's Legacy of the Jedi, he is first tempted by the dark side of the Force as a child, when he and fellow Padawan Lorian Nod steal an ancient Sith Holocron from the Jedi Archives, and he informs his friend to stay in the Order; he is intrigued by the Sith's open embrace of power, and realizes that he is just as capable of treachery as they are. Lorian eventually lands Dooku in trouble for stealing the holocron which Lorian had stolen, but Dooku got off scot-free and Lorian was banished from the Order. Years later, he encounters (and eventually kills) Nod.
[edit] Yoda: Dark RendezvousIn Sean Stewart's Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, he attempts to trap his former Master by offering to negotiate an end to the war. Despite his attempts to convert Yoda to his cause, he is ultimately unsuccessful, but is very nearly swayed in turn by Yoda to return to the Jedi Order. The intervention of Anakin and Obi-Wan, however, enrages him, and ends any efforts of rapprochement before they can began, leaving both Yoda and Dooku in deep thought following the confrontation, as Dooku feels condemned to being a Sith and Yoda feels that any attempts to turn his former student back to the light have been rendered impossible. In the novel, it is also revealed that Dooku always resented his parents for "giving him away" to the Jedi Order.
[edit] Labyrinth of EvilIn James Luceno's Labyrinth of Evil, he engineers General Grievous' transformation into the Separatists' cyborg commander, and trains him in lightsaber combat. He then schemes with Sidious to invade Coruscant — thus setting the stage for Revenge of the Sith — in what he believes to be a plot to kill Obi-Wan Kenobi and initiate Anakin Skywalker into the Si
[edit] NovelsDooku appears as a main or secondary villain in many Expanded Universe novels.
[edit] Legacy of the JediIn Jude Watson's Legacy of the Jedi, he is first tempted by the dark side of the Force as a child, when he and fellow Padawan Lorian Nod steal an ancient Sith Holocron from the Jedi Archives, and he informs his friend to stay in the Order; he is intrigued by the Sith's open embrace of power, and realizes that he is just as capable of treachery as they are. Lorian eventually lands Dooku in trouble for stealing the holocron which Lorian had stolen, but Dooku got off scot-free and Lorian was banished from the Order. Years later, he encounters (and eventually kills) Nod.
[edit] Yoda: Dark RendezvousIn Sean Stewart's Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, he attempts to trap his former Master by offering to negotiate an end to the war. Despite his attempts to convert Yoda to his cause, he is ultimately unsuccessful, but is very nearly swayed in turn by Yoda to return to the Jedi Order. The intervention of Anakin and Obi-Wan, however, enrages him, and ends any efforts of rapprochement before they can began, leaving both Yoda and Dooku in deep thought following the confrontation, as Dooku feels condemned to being a Sith and Yoda feels that any attempts to turn his former student back to the light have been rendered impossible. In the novel, it is also revealed that Dooku always resented his parents for "giving him away" to the Jedi Order.
[edit] Labyrinth of EvilIn James Luceno's Labyrinth of Evil, he engineers General Grievous' transformation into the Separatists' cyborg commander, and trains him in lightsaber combat. He then schemes with Sidious to invade Coruscant — thus setting the stage for Revenge of the Sith — in what he believes to be a plot to kill Obi-Wan Kenobi and initiate Anakin Skywalker into the Si
Posted on 12/29/12 at 7:32 am to bulldog95
The fact that this thread is even necessary is further proof that Lucas can die in a fire. He so completely screwed the pooch with the prequels that I can't even bring myself to watch the original trilogy anymore.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:49 am to TygerTyger
There are some decent parts to 2 and 3, but 1...what an abortion that was. 
Hence, the hatchet order: IV, V, II, III, VI
Hence, the hatchet order: IV, V, II, III, VI
Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:56 am to gjackx
II is in no way better than I. And the correct order is...
V
IV
VI
III
I
II
V
IV
VI
III
I
II
Posted on 12/29/12 at 10:59 am to bulldog95
quote:
The novelization depicts this scene from Dooku's point of view. In his final moments, he realizes that Sidious had never intended for him to be his apprentice. Sidious had merely been using him as a means to engineer the Clone Wars, and as a placeholder for the true apprentice: Anakin Skywalker.[4]
This was always my take on it.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:08 am to 9Fiddy
Well...duh!
Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:08 am to lsufan9193969700
He is talking about how you should watch them, not how to rate them.
I honestly can't stand Ep. III. 2 has some good parts.
I honestly can't stand Ep. III. 2 has some good parts.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 11:35 am to alajones
If he is talking about what "order" to watch the films, then he makes even less sense. Why would you not watch them in chronological order of events (I, II, III, IV, V, VI...or one set at a time...)?
Posted on 12/29/12 at 12:13 pm to Lakefront-Tiger
I wouldn't put much thought into these movies, Lucas sure as shite didn't.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 12:17 pm to gjackx
Yeah 2 is the one with nothing redeemable.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 12:34 pm to DelU249
II is so far behind the others that II could just be turned into an extra long scroll at the beginning of III.
Posted on 12/29/12 at 1:08 pm to lsufan9193969700
I always thought Dooku was an apprentice because he was also called Darth Tyranus 
Posted on 1/2/13 at 6:30 pm to peaster68
Maul should have been in 2 and replaced Dooku.
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